The best elk killing knife?

It was a Nepalese bear, about the size of a black bear. Of course grizzlies, browns, and polar bears are much larger, to say nothing of Cliff Stamp! I only volunteered to fight bears, not hairy monsters with big feet....

P.J.'s Uluchet, which I still haven't posted a review of (one thing after another keeps coming up to make me put off completing my testing -- currently it's an awful heat wave here in Western Massachusetts; I am not about to leave my air conditioned study and go out and chop down saplings in that; it's like a steam bath out there) would be an excellent choice for dressing and skinning the elk -- I've found out that much about it already.

It would not be a good choice for fighting off the elk's charge -- not directly. You could, however, use it to chop down saplings, sharpen one end and hammer on the other end with the back of the Uluchet to drive them into the ground pointing outward from your blind in all directions, then sharpen up the other end ... with a little forethought you could have your blind surrounded by an impregnable defense of sharp stakes and every elk that charges you will be bound to impale itself on one. I think that would be a good way to use a knife to defend yourself from ferocious animals, and it'd be good for vampire defense, too. No good at all if a Bigfoot charges you, though; he'd only tear the stakes out of the ground and throw them at you....

-Cougar Allen :{)


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My friend shot an elk head on at about 80 yards with a 30-06, and the Rem Corelock bullet just ricochet off his skull. I saw an amazing thing back in 1994 in Vietnam. A water buffalo, 8-10 year old, 1000+ pounds, versus my friend's kid. The kid was about 5'2", 110 pounds. The kid dropped the buffalo with one chop on the top of the neck with an old US Army machette. The kid was incredibly quick and the water buffalo was mighty tasty.
 
I would buy a bucklite or a spyderco ladybug
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Nam, was the water buffalo charging? Man if he was that kid has more balls than brains! Or else he was awful darn hungry! This thread got me thinking about a technique used for hunting big game in Africa. I believe it is a pygmy bushman technique but I may be wrong. Anyway, the idea is to get the animal in question to charge and they setting the butt of your spear firmly into the ground. Then as he pounces you duck and the animal is impaled on the spear. It sounds good in theory but you don't get to practice and if you don't get it just right I guess you're not going to have to worry about whats for lunch.

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O.k. let me get this strait. you are going to try and stab something that is the size of a small van? SHOOT IT! Go buy yourself a goddam hand cannon, .454 casull comes to mind, and pull the trigger untill you hear clicks, as you are diving out of the way of course! If you are really concerned about a charging 700lb. mass of angry death waiting to happen, take a partner as back up(armed with a GUN). Killing large dangerous animals with one fell slash of a knife is all well and macho in the movies- the difference is that when the camera stops, the actor gets up and gets another er- stab at it. YOU DON"T! Play it safe, use a large gun, and watch your six.

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Question for the hunters here (my few attempts to murder Bambi umpteen years ago were not a success):

Does anybody have a confirmable story (who, when, where) of an elk or any other sort of deer critter charging a hunter who has just shot it, but not stopped it, instead of running away?
 
SycoticSamurai,

Handguns are banned in many places that I hunt. It is not that easy to find a good hunting partner. You are missing the point of my post.

James Mattis,

In Norma (the ammunition manufacturer) latest catalog, they show multiple pictures of a moose that turned 90 degrees and charge a hunter that just shot it at about 50 feet away. The moose then dropped dead about 10 feet from the hunter after a follow up shot.

My friend had a cow elk tag in area 6A in Arizona back in 1995. We spotted a herd walking away about 300 yards from us. My friend took a shot at a cow elk and the next thing we know the whole herd (about 60-70 heads) was heading toward us lead by a bull. We were in a ravine and did not think that we could get out of the way. We thought about shooting the lead bull to stop the herd, but decided against it because we did not have the proper tag and the herd might still turn off before getting to us. We shot nine (9) warning rounds against the side of a hill and the herd ran by about 10 feet from us. We took cover behind a 5'x5' shrub and got a cow with a Texas heart shot. Now, was the lead bull charging at us because he was in the rut? I could have ask him if I had a bull tag.
 
NamViet Vo, My experience with Elk in Utah and Idaho is that they were probably spooked by your actions and had only two directions to run in the ravine and took the wrong one. I was almost run over by about 20 head of elk on my off road motorcycle (I was on the motorcycle, not the elk!) on a dirt road where they could clearly see me. They just wanted to be someplace else and I was in their way. I've hunted a lot and processed (skinned and cut up for freezer and further processing like jerky, pepperoni, salami,etc.) thousands of deer and hundreds of elk. I never heard a hunter claim he was charged by his prey. Some had animals scared into them by other hunters. I'm not saying it couldn't happen. Now moose are more aggressive, both in and out of rut. But most states start their hunts just after rut to ensure the next years fawns are "on the way!"

Under your original scenario, I think I would grab my rifle by the barrel and swing for all I was worth--at least that keeps me three feet from the business end of those antlers!

Bruce Woodbury
 
You always need a tactical plan when hunting large animals that may become dangerous.

Use the buddy system. If the animal attacks, throw him your buddy. While he's distracted with your buddy, RUN!!!
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Ron L is right. You don't have to be the fastest runner in your hunting group. You just have to be able to outrun the slowest!
 
A friend who was a ranger in Jasper National Park in Alberta recounted a story about a local resident with the iq of an elk ... maybe a squirrel ... who lured one into his garage with carrots and then attempted to stun it with a hammer (keep in mind that elk FIGHT with their antlers). The assailant nearly got killed, his garage got wrecked and the elk got away, and he did get arrested. Elks' hooves are just as lethal as their antlers - the cows are doubly dangerous in the spring when they are calving, as are moose. The only elk killing blade I could imagine would be mounted on something of around .30 calibre or larger.
 
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During Muzzleloading season here in Virginia, I missed. Then behind me, on the ridge comes three deer. They were close enough, we were on a fairly narrow ridge, so that I could have swung at one with the muzzleloader. Not worth the cost of the fire arm or what would I say to a game warden about clubing the game?

I guess I could have used a broad sword as the buck ran by but lets face it: knives are not effective killing tools for any kind of animal. That's why we have rifles and pistols.
 
Gentlemen,
The technique comes from the Spanish School. The weapon from Germeny (Saxony ?). To wit: An In Quartata executed with a short Zwei-hander, a la Talhoffer. Target area; left banderole.

Improvise, adapt, overcome!
-Brian
 
Answering James Mattis's question --

I've never heard of a whitetailed deer attacking a hunter. Now, I've heard of hunters getting kicked and badly hurt. Deer hooves are like knives. The hunter would come up to a downed deer that he thought was dead and attempted to dress it while the deer was still alive. Maybe he tried to administer the coup de grace with a knife.

Once when I shot an itty bitty buck, my buddy and I noticed that he was still alive. The deer's eyes were shut. When a whitetail is dead, his eyes are open and fixed. Did I pull out my blade to cut its throat? No way, not being crazy, I put a round behind his ear. I'm not going to take a risk to be macho.

Ur right, James, this isn't war or even a fair fight: just meat on the table. For as Ted Nugent says: "Ya can't grill it until ya kill it."

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