The "Brown Flag" thread

k_estela

k_estela

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You've wanted to do it. You've overheard someone claiming fact when you know it is definitely not so. You've wanted to call them out but maybe bit your tongue. Here is your chance to vent. Instead of throwing a flag on a play, here you can throw the B.S. (It's brown right?) flag for a comment made that might actually get someone killed. Post what you know is clearly opinion and not fact. Maybe we can make a list of so called "expert opinion" to refer to when you are wondering what NOT to do.

Here is one that comes to mind (recently overheard in an outdoors retail store),

"Gore-tex is great insulation"

Yes, Gore-tex is waterproof and breathable and does trap some body heat but it is not a stand alone insulator. It is a thin membrane that has no noticeable insulating properties if used alone. I'm sure someone will probably buy this jacket thinking it is all they need and end up in a pickle somewhere.

What have you guys and gals heard?
 
i think you should call baer grils he could fill this baby up in a heart beat okay im done.:rolleyes:
 
Eastr77,

I hear you my friend. I don't condone jumping into water unless the depth is known. I also don't recommend drinking toxin-filled urine or free climbing up or down to avoid walking around.
 
I'm bothered, like many, by many of the 'second hand first aid tips' seen around here. Examples are putting honey on a wound or closing a wound with super glue.
 
SpookyPistolero said:
I'm bothered, like many, by many of the 'second hand first aid tips' seen around here. Examples are putting honey on a wound or closing a wound with super glue.
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Both are used in modern health care but its not the full story.

Google it.

What bothers me is the kit lists people make up with no training beyond bandaids.

Skam
 
SpookyPistolero said:
I'm bothered, like many, by many of the 'second hand first aid tips' seen around here.QUOTE]

amen.. as a former combat medic i find myself cringing more often than not.... the problem is that much of the advice has a least a portion of correct information.. yes honey and sugar were both used by the Romans and even older civilizations but Cipro is still better:D also the "super glue" that we used in the field and in the ER are different than the wally world stuff. even if it does seal up the wound you are in all likelihood sealing in germs, i had to cut open a guys hand after he "fixed" his cut with super glue and it got infected, dude spent the next 3 weeks on penicillin.:mad:
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k_estela said:
Eastr77,

I hear you my friend. I don't condone jumping into water unless the depth is known. I also don't recommend drinking toxin-filled urine or free climbing up or down to avoid walking around.
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thanks but let not talk about you now who any more don't want to send the thread the wrong way.
the best peace if B.S i've heard in a while would have to be a guy at a sporting goods store told someone that this type of thermal under wear was better than any other type of insulation would keep you warm and dry. so what all you need is this super under wear and no good outer shell
 
that's true but the honey used there doesnt go through near the purification processes store bought stuff does. the high heat process used in our honey has a detrimental effect on the medicinal properties. i mean when all else fails use what you can get but it would be far from my first round of treatment barring any other choice.
 
I think the brownest flag I've seen waved is the one which says that there is a knife which is just right for everything! Where's the fun in that?
 
No worries Brian. No hijack here.

I used to think Carson Daly was a tool but between his cameo on the Chappelle show and this spoof, he might be only half tool. By far the best spoof of that show yet.

Don't worry, the brown flag is big and needs lots of waving. You won't hijack this thread with only a couple posts.
 
skammer said:
Both are used in modern health care but its not the full story.

Google it.

What bothers me is the kit lists people make up with no training beyond bandaids.

Skam
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I don't use google for healthcare.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
CONCLUSION: Honey-impregnated dressings did not significantly improve venous ulcer healing at 12 weeks compared with usual care.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
Results: The production of honey as well as the storing process account for the presence of microorganisims.
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There are many reports suggesting prospective trials with honey, and some have been done. Most show that there is not a benefit compared to normal wound treatment, and the ones that boast the healing powers of honey the most are case studies or use controls of sugar or other non-standard treatment. Beyond this is the problem that the type of honey and level of processing affect its properties, and more to the point there are better treatments that a layperson should be learning and pursuing.


But I do also find it bothersome when someone who hasn't even attended basic first aid puts a suture kit and some razor blades in their first aid kit.
 
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