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The "Brown Flag" thread
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Funny got me through Medic school
Google is a search engine not an information source. Kind of like saying I dont use a library for books.Which is the point of this thread of calling BS info. Honey in wounds is not BS, is it ideal? No but its not BS either.
I personally used regular unpasturized honey in a leg wound over an inch long and half inch deep that I pulled the sutures too soon and it opened back up. Worked just fine with steri strips no infection. Would I use it on someone else? Sure if its all I had to pack a wound a week from help.
I dont have a problem with razor blades in kits as its just another sharp edge to me. I do have a problem with first aid kits in the hands of over stimulated undertrained people AKA Whakers.
I think we hijacked this thread long enough. Maybe a new topic.
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I was set up at a gunshow last weekend with a few PSK knives on my table for sale. A kid and his father stopped to look, the kid asked the man, what was that for (pointing to the PSK knife) The father's response..."that's a throwing knife" 
Scott
Scott
I was set up at a gunshow last weekend with a few PSK knives on my table for sale. A kid and his father stopped to look, the kid asked the man, what was that for (pointing to the PSK knife) The father's response..."that's a throwing knife"
Scott
Thats one of the things I hate the most... someone finally stops buying cheap junk, gets a "ok" knife then says "Oh, it has a good balance and its really pointy so its good for throwing" then a day later come back and say "it was crap, it hit a tree bounced off a rock skidded across the road run over by a four wheeler and now its scratched... it sucks dont ever buy it."
A aluminium blanket or the so called survival blanket.
It's thin, it's prone to shreading and it doesn't "give" you warmth.
Has somebody actually used one during -10C?!! I can tell you it does block some wind, but it's not giving much warmth, and isolaton value is almost nothing.
Just lay it on the frozen ground, and sit on it for an hour. I bet (know) your behind is near freezing temps........
These "survival" blanks are just a addition to already available insulation.
CZ
It's thin, it's prone to shreading and it doesn't "give" you warmth.
Has somebody actually used one during -10C?!! I can tell you it does block some wind, but it's not giving much warmth, and isolaton value is almost nothing.
Just lay it on the frozen ground, and sit on it for an hour. I bet (know) your behind is near freezing temps........
These "survival" blanks are just a addition to already available insulation.
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the double layered ripstop military ones are good and work as they are suposed to
but the thin cheap ones at wally world are definate crap
this whole website is filled with misinformation, it always cracks me up
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Most stuff like that doesn't bother me. The internet is sort of like the oral tradition and a lot of times you have to sort out the good from the not so factual.
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Funny got me through Medic school
Which is the point of this thread of calling BS info. Honey in wounds is not BS, is it ideal? No but its not BS either.
I wasn't calling it BS, there is still certainly other research that supports it. The problem is that some peoples only exposure to proper first aid, sadly, might be these sorts of threads. Calling it 'as good as' normal antiseptics is not appropriate.
Calling google a library is like calling a dirty magazine stand an art gallery. A search on 'honey and wound care' pulls up a page full of advertisements and info from a honey manufacturer, which is why I don't use it for healthcare. It doesn't retrieve medical literature efficiently. If I tried citing that in pharmacy school they'd fail me.
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Yep, that's one reason I stopped doing gunshows. Only about 10% or less that come to the shows know quality. All of the China made junk knife dealers make a killin' at gunshows.
I only do 1 gunshow a year, only because it's local.
Scott
Met a vendor at a local show selling the ProForce "SAS Survival Kit"- said he bought them for his extended family and was selling off the extras. I asked him what he thought of the quality of the contents- he replied he had not broken the seal on them and they were sealed to be waterproof... so he handed them out to his family and they have NO clue what is in them or how to use any of it!!!!!!!!!!!?????? By the way, the waterproof seal, black electrical tape...
We did a trade on some items and I took one of these kits as I was way ahead on the trade. Interesting in a perverse sort of way. The tin will beccome a fire kit container, most of the contents will be tossed.
"You can drink groudwater as long as it is flowing." Love it...
2Door
We did a trade on some items and I took one of these kits as I was way ahead on the trade. Interesting in a perverse sort of way. The tin will beccome a fire kit container, most of the contents will be tossed.
"You can drink groudwater as long as it is flowing." Love it...
2Door
I've often read that a very significant amount of body heat is lost through the head - the figure given is usually 40%, but I've seen 50% or even more suggested.
However, I was recently told by my uncle (an experienced medical doctor who does a lot of outdoor activities) that heat loss through the head is only about 20% and often less than that. According to him, the 40% and up figures are bs.
However, even if it is only between 10 and 20%, that's obviously still significant enough to warrant wearing good headgear in cold weather. He agreed with that point.
However, I was recently told by my uncle (an experienced medical doctor who does a lot of outdoor activities) that heat loss through the head is only about 20% and often less than that. According to him, the 40% and up figures are bs.
However, even if it is only between 10 and 20%, that's obviously still significant enough to warrant wearing good headgear in cold weather. He agreed with that point.
Totally correct. Even the 20% includes the neck area I am told.
I have heard 70% from people. If this were the case you could wear some headwear and pants and go shirtless and never freeze to death.
Skam
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Since this is a Brown Flag thread highlighting stupid things, the real loss is 70% of peoples' brain cells, not heat. 
No benefit compared to normal treatment. Sounds like theyre saying it's roughly on par with normal treatment, which consists of what? Sterilizing and dressing the wound? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the conclusion is honey is better than nothing.
At very least it should keep dirt and other particles from entering the wound if you dont have any proper bandages.
Totally correct. Even the 20% includes the neck area I am told.
I have heard 70% from people. If this were the case you could wear some headwear and pants and go shirtless and never freeze to death.
Skam
I think those high figures refer to someone wearing proper clothing without good head gear. If the rest of the body is properly insulated I wouldnt be surprised that the majority (say 70%) of their total heat loss is attributed to their uninsulated head/neck.
If youre naked 10-20% sounds more likely.