The Chinese Counterfiters have upped their game......

wfsltt said:
If Buck is having their knives made in China what is the difference? I guess just that the manufacture is not getting their cut for importing them. I do wonder if this is the same factory that made Buck knives for them for all those many, many years.
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You cannot see proper heat treatment so you must rely on the integrity of the brand. You have lots of confidence in the integrity of counterfeiters, do you?
 
When companies move parts of their production to China it makes it easier for them to make the fakes. I suspect many of the fakes that are produced are connected to Chineese companies that are contrcted by U.S. companies. That being said Im confident they are connected since all buisness is government owned by communist China.
 
Would like to thank everyone for keeping this conversation decent and on point.

Second, the consideration of Bucks contract knives vs. pirated manufacturing is that Buck has contract requirements the overseas contractor must meet. I am pretty sure its not just a buy-what-they-got deal. The 110 knife has never been assembled out of the U.S. Sheaths have been made in Mexico in the past but only for short time.

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I'm seeing a ton of the Buck/Tops knives on Ebay selling for under $15. They're all Chinese crap that even have a fake U.S.A. stamping. Look at where the seller is located for those buying online. If it's China, Hong Kong, or Taiwan, you know it's gonna be a fake.
 
Many western economic scholars conclude that state enterprises amount to less than a third of the current Chinese economy. The percentage in 1978 is said to have been 75%.
 
Clicked on your link and found:

The Chinese Economy

A significant portion of the Chinese economy is still government-controlled, although the number of government programs has declined significantly. Universal health care, for example, is being discontinued. China's foreign policy continues to be pro-socialist, but it has essentially become a free-market economy. In essence, China no longer remains a “pure socialist economy."

Interestingly, the privately owned firms reportedly generate a substantial portion of GDP for China (figures vary from 33% to 70%, as reported by various news sources). After the U.S., China is the second-largest economy in the world, and the number-one largest manufacturing economy.

How has China managed to grow its economic influence?

Effectively, China pulled this off by transitioning from a “socialist economy” to a “socialist market economy.” The communist regime in China quickly realized that it would be to its disadvantage to keep China's economy secluded from the rest of the world. It has been able to successfully strike a balance between the “collective” and “capitalist” approach. Policies allow entrepreneurs and investors to take profits, but within the controls of the state. Around 2004, the government began to allow a person’s right to private property. Establishing a special economic zone and opening up to international trade have allowed the country to embark on fast-paced economic growth – all courtesy to the right changes to the socialist policies at the required time.
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One of these just sold on eBay today for $130.49. 13 bidders.... how sad. Not a bad profit for a $43 dollar investment. In correspondence with the seller he started with 30 and still has 8 left to sell with "no complaints". eBay isn't even enforcing their no auto knife sales policy as the term "assisted" is used in the ad. I can provide the link since it is no longer an active auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUCK-110-AS...%2BFxdJD8M%2BldjAXKGk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
 
DeSotoSky said:
One of these just sold on eBay today for $130.49. 13 bidders.... how sad. Not a bad profit for a $43 dollar investment. In correspondence with the seller he started with 30 and still has 8 left to sell with "no complaints". eBay isn't even enforcing their no auto knife sales policy as the term "assisted" is used in the ad. I can provide the link since it is no longer an active auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUCK-110-AS...%2BFxdJD8M%2BldjAXKGk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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There are quite a few of these knock off being sold on the bay right now. It shouldn't matter that the seller has not had any complaints. The problems will come later on.

Look at the listings on the bay. This is becoming more and more of a problem. I myself have been took twice over the years with the last one being bought a few months ago at a local knife show.
 
Apparantly chinese copyright laws are strictly upheld. However, they only practice copyright enforcement on items that are copyrighted to them directly. So theoretically/litterally, if Buck were to contact the Chinese copyright people and put a stamp on their gear, no more would surface... apparantly..

I wonder though, do the chinese ones have as much blade play as the real ones? lol
 
I encourage everyone to contact sellers if they are selling counterfeit bucks and to do a REPORT ITEM on ebay as counterfeits. All you need to do is pull up the REPORT ITEM and enter the ITEM NUMBER from the listing:

http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...hip & account > Rules & policies > Replica, c

We should all be reporting 10 items a day. Maybe the company in San Fransissy will do something.

I agree with the understanding that the dimple in the blade means it is single action and the cut out notch is it is duel action.
 
TAH said:
Are the current 110 standard black leather sheaths not made in Mexico anymore? That's great news, if true.
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Leather sheaths for 110's have always been Mexican but a very good Mexican. Back when I was a dealer in the 90's Chuck said they watched them closely. The special sheaths for Chuck Buck Specials in Brown were US as well as nylon ones. The anniversay ones I bought last year had the Mexico stickers, but I know some dealers have removed those stickers which is officially not legal but done all the time with China products! Sadly the last ratchet and air compressor I bought from SEARS were China made and showed it!
 
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dctex99 said:
..... Sadly the last ratchet and air compressor I bought from SEARS were China made and showed it!
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Huh.... I'm still using a 1 hp Craftsman air compressor I purchased summer 1971.... replaced the motor bearings years ago but that is all.....

[ just in case the content police read this..... I use it to blow dust off my BUCK knives..... :) ]
 
dctex99 said:
Leather sheaths for 110's have always been Mexican but a very good Mexican.
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I don't believe this is correct. I'm not sure of the exact dates (60s-early 70s?), but at first, Buck leather sheaths were outsourced to two different U.S. companies. Then Buck started making them in-house (1970s)?. At some point, the leather sheath production was moved to Mexico. That's why I'm still confused about this comment below.

300Bucks said:
Sheaths have been made in Mexico in the past but only for short time.
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Are the standard 110 black leather sheaths still made in Mexico?
 
TAH said:
Are the standard 110 black leather sheaths still made in Mexico?
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The ones I had a few years back were and were also very well made, thick full grained leather. Deffinately worth owning even if you don't put a Buck knife in it.
 
Okay, here's the sheath history.

Sheaths:
A. Angeles Souvenir—late 1962 to late 1967.
B. Atcheson Leather—late 1967 to early 1969.
C. Buck leather shop—started early 1969.

Now, what year did sheath production move to Mexico and are they still made there?
 
TAH said:
Okay, here's the sheath history.

Sheaths:
A. Angeles Souvenir—late 1962 to late 1967.
B. Atcheson Leather—late 1967 to early 1969.
C. Buck leather shop—started early 1969.

Now, what year did sheath production move to Mexico and are they still made there?
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This is interesting.
I'd like to see the custom shop offer an option for full grain, vegetable tanned, hand-tooled leather sheaths; as an alternate to the pedestrian ones they now offer. I'm sure there are leather workers in America who could supply them. I'm sure there are customers who would buy them.
 
Badhammer said:
Not sure there is much Buck can do. The fakes are being made in another country where the violators most likely won't or can't be forced into court. They could probably sue everyone in the U.S.A. that sells these but they would have to prove they knew they were selling fakes and even then what kind of damages would Buck be awarded from some little bay seller? Buck could literally go broke paying lawyer fees.

The only one who can do something is the consumer by not buying the fakes provided they even care.
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Things can be done. Other manufacturers have their lawyers contact ebay and such when they appear there, even if they are automatics, it seems that they end up listed as "assisted knives". Other manufacturers that deal with the same thing need to be informed of the links and such, it's on them to do the legwork and heavy lifting. As consumers, what we can do is not give free advertising to the thieves, don't list their website, don't link to their pages, etc. find ways to educate and identify what to look for, buy from reputable sites. Yes it might cost a couple extra dollars, but people need to ask themselves what their own peace of mind is worth. As long as there is a demand, the supply will be there, education is the best tool.
 
TAH said:
Okay, here's the sheath history.

Sheaths:
A. Angeles Souvenir—late 1962 to late 1967.
B. Atcheson Leather—late 1967 to early 1969.
C. Buck leather shop—started early 1969.

Now, what year did sheath production move to Mexico and are they still made there?
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TAH, this is correct. At least someone of legitimate standing spoke it and I put it in my notes. I don't want to go out on a limb with this but I recall Buck doing their leather work for some time. 15 years or so. Still, considering their location near San Diego and near the Mexican border. The move to across the border and it's economics is tempting. Plus, that country has good leather craftsman. So, I suspect the move was made while Buck was still located in El Cajon in the 90's. DM
 
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