The Collaboration of the Elite and What it Means for the Consumer

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Anttheknee

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Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I have recently heard rumors and read elsewhere of something that has been a profound source of great excitement for me. I heard that Guy, Nathan the Machinist, and Dan Keffeler are possibly talking and sharing information about a new CPM 3V heat treat tweak (say that 3 times real fast!) that could possibly dethrone the Legendary INFI in the category of tough hard use knife steels or at the very least give it a good run for it's money.
Those of you who would like to do some of your own research can check out nathan's youtube channel for a demonstration on tweaked CPM 3V vs the industry standard and the venerable INFI. The results are quite impressive....

From what I was able to gather it's seems the only obstacle standing in the way of us as consumers getting our hands on this tweaked version of 3V is that it is currently impossible or impractical to use this process on large scale production knives. Hopefully Peter's comes up with a solution to this.

Imagine a Survive! Knife whose functionality, practicality, and design (thanks to Guy) is supreme with a keffeler design influence, and a version of 3V more capable then that of the great INFI.....

This is a very exciting time to be a blade enthusiast my friends..... Very exciting indeed...... I am so on board that that I have already started thinning out my collection in anticipation.... Hopefully this is not just rumor.
 
Interested to see how this thread and project progresses. Good on Guy, Nathan, and Dan for pushing the limits.
 
Thank you for linking that video Chiral. I hope this comes to fruition sooner rather than later.
 
I understand that the GSO 4.1 used in this video is an older model. Does anyone know what the old 4.1 RC hardness was before the new 4.1 was brought to 59.5 - 60.5?
 
That's a great video. Am I the only one that thinks that special heat treated blade looks like a Scandi?
 
I have several Nathan knives. He has contributed here on SURVIVE! forum about this. Ellie has confirmed that SURVIVE! and Nathan the Machinist are developing a relationship as professionals learning from each other... I am not sure how to link that conversation. Probably not that important. But I do have experience with special heat treated 3v from Nathan. And the results are spectacular. I don't know if the heat treat they are referring to would be the same as Nathans's personal tweaking on his own 3v or not. But I know it is quite an advance in performance over the "standard" heat treat. Nathan has shared some of that info in various places about how that process improves edge stability and retention... If you get a chance at Blade 2016 or elsewhere, ask him about it... I appreciate his willingness to share knowledge with people...
 
Brian77 said:
I have several Nathan knives. He has contributed here on SURVIVE! forum about this. Ellie has confirmed that SURVIVE! and Nathan the Machinist are developing a relationship as professionals learning from each other... I am not sure how to link that conversation. Probably not that important. But I do have experience with special heat treated 3v from Nathan. And the results are spectacular. I don't know if the heat treat they are referring to would be the same as Nathans's personal tweaking on his own 3v or not. But I know it is quite an advance in performance over the "standard" heat treat. Nathan has shared some of that info in various places about how that process improves edge stability and retention... If you get a chance at Blade 2016 or elsewhere, ask him about it... I appreciate his willingness to share knowledge with people...
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That's pretty cool. A relationship between these artists would be a benefit for all of us.
 
Brian77 said:
I have several Nathan knives. He has contributed here on SURVIVE! forum about this. Ellie has confirmed that SURVIVE! and Nathan the Machinist are developing a relationship as professionals learning from each other... I am not sure how to link that conversation. Probably not that important. But I do have experience with special heat treated 3v from Nathan. And the results are spectacular. I don't know if the heat treat they are referring to would be the same as Nathans's personal tweaking on his own 3v or not. But I know it is quite an advance in performance over the "standard" heat treat. Nathan has shared some of that info in various places about how that process improves edge stability and retention... If you get a chance at Blade 2016 or elsewhere, ask him about it... I appreciate his willingness to share knowledge with people...
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I think I have a twin to your 3V field knife in denim micarta, such a sweet knife. That is the first I've been able to land, with a second in black canvas coming this week. Hopefully I can get some use on one of them, strictly for comparison purposes of course :)
 
Quote from Nathan from a question Anttheknee asked - very exciting development!

Nathan the Machinist said:
That's the plan. Survive Knives provided piles of 3V test blades in different shapes and sizes for the development work on this protocol and has a stake in it as well as Dan Keffeler.

I have a pretty legit small heat treat setup here at my shop, but I'm very limited in output. The only way this was ever going to scale up was putting it in a big HT shop.

Peter's has tools I could only dream of, so it has merely been a matter of getting the processes worked out at their facility. Most of it was compatible with their existing processes but there was one sticking point and that has been resolved. It has taken a couple months but I think we're ready. :thumbup:
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redwood22 said:
boom! very exciting indeed!!!
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Oh man!!I didn't even realize that Nathan responded!!! This is such great news I almost don't want anyone else to know about it lol (Well, at least until after I get my super 3v blade/s). I feel like I got some top secret classified info here!
 
Yes, if they can work it out I'd think some of the to-be-worked survive models (8, 10, 12, etc) might have this latest HT. I'll probably never purposely chop through nails like that demo, but you never know what you might encounter.

I think in one of those threads where I got that quote Nathan did say something about it being hard to sharpen - I wonder if that will be a trade off for the increased toughness/wear resistance
 
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