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Well I will be the first to admit that I am a little slow sometimes, but have I missed something important here? What has "pissed" you off and who said anything about you not posting things? Personally I like your work and think it is great that you are proud of it! If I could make such fine knives I would brag too! All that has been said here is that people think they would look and sale better without the Bead-Blasted baldes. Surely that has not angered you. Just my opinion!

[This message has been edited by GeneL74 (edited 01-05-2000).]
 
I don't think Lynn was saying HE was P.O.'d; but that some forumites were P.O.'d. over too much self promotion. Well, I did not see too much self promotion, nor did I see any posts from P.O'd persons. Maybe some one called him or something. When ever someone posts a question such as,"what is your favorite knifemaker?" or "who makes a real nifty knife?", I am tempted to post ME, ME, but that would be premature not to mention immodest.
 
GeneL74, I think you read that wrong. And, I hope Lynn doesn't mind me jumping in here. If you look around, it does appear sometimes that Lynn is promoting his knives (just stating fact). And, I think that some maybe have taken some offense over it (gotten pissed off), although I'm not sure why. He isn't the only one who does it, and I like hearing about his knives. I don't think he posted what he did above because he (Lynn) is/was pissed off, but rather he had heard that he was pissing other people off.

In my opinion, that is truly a shame. Lynn makes what appear to be good, functional, and IMO attractive knives, in their own way. I too would prefer satin finished blades to bead blast, but that is the only fault I can see with his knives. And, obviously that is just subjective. I also think that the handles on his knives appear to be the most well thought-out that I have seen. So, in summary, it is quite likely that one of his knives is going to be next on my list of purchases, in spite of the bb finish
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So, it looks like, from now on, I'm going to have to go over to Lynn's board to read about his knives.

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[This message has been edited by rockspyder (edited 01-05-2000).]
 
Lynn, I just wanted you too know that I am not upset with you nor have I complained about any of your posts. That you are very proud of your work is not wrong. I'm guessing the same as Rockspyder, that someone sent you email complaining about your posts. It is true that BF does not allow commercial advertising passing as a post. And, respectfully, you have been skating a fine line IMO. But I personally hope you continue to post here and contribute your knowledge and enthusiasm for the craft of knifemaking. I like your knives. I don't like BB finish, or synthetic handle materials. But that's just me. I can't find anyone making comments in THIS thread that should upset You or express anyone's annoyance with you.

Paracelsus
 
rockspyder,

I realize now what he was saying. I read through his post quickly and then replied a little to fast without throughly reading it. I think Lynn is a very talented knife maker and if I can get one of those knives with a different finish then I am going to order one. As far as Lynn posting too much and promoting his knives, well I think that is a crock of sh*t too. If people don't like his posts or are jealous because of the attention he is getting with his work then quit reading them! Have you ever considered that just maybe there are some people here that do enjoy his posts? Personally I like reading his posts and sometimes I even throw in my 2 cents worth. I also enjoy looking at his knives and have been wanting one for some time now!
 
GeneL74, I hope you didn't read me wrongly. I enjoy his posts. Or rather, enjoy them just as much as the next guys posts. And, I don't have any problem with him promoting his knives here on the forums. Not at all. I tend to agree with the "crock of sh**" comment...
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Oh, and for the record... I quite likely won't be able to resist the urge to buy one of his knives for much longer.

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[This message has been edited by rockspyder (edited 01-05-2000).]
 
I believe the issue to which Lynn is referring is the fact that some folks, myself included, took issue with a claim of his in the Spyderco forum. http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/001807.html Despite apparent self-delusions, Lynn did not invent the Wharncliffe blade. FWIW, less strutting & whining make for a more likeable person.

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Well, I have re-written this a few times. My first draft was a little hot headed. I wish to be reasonable here, and not start any wars. I do know that Spark emailed Lynn about his "self promoting". How do I know? He mentioned last night in the chat room that he emailed him. I have been witness to many degrading and down right rude remarks made about Lynn in the real time chat room. There have been remarks about how Lynns last name is spelled wrong in his profile. I myself have ribbed Lynn about it, all in good fun. I do know that when he registered he got in a hurry and entered the info wrong. Big deal, I know very well that he can spell his own name. However, the comments some have made about it were done with mean intent. I have written many good things about Lynn and his knives. I do remember one person asking me personally if I recieved "deals" on his knives. IMO it was implied that I took discounted knives in exchange for good comment. I assure you that I paid full price for both of the Griffith knives I own. I am not sure what the problems are with Lynns posts. I have seen MANY makers on here promote the knives they make. Some have even posted pictures. That does not bother me though. I read this forum because it is about knives. I love it when a good maker posts text and pictures about thier knives. I want to read and learn all I can. I have seen him made fun of for some of the questions he has asked. Again, I have seen many makers ask questions in a similar type of manner, and were not called on the carpet for it. Lynn has asked questions of forumites regarding any number of knife related subjects. Why? Because as a maker, who better to ask than a bunch of knife knuts. Some people seem to think Lynn is full of himself. I know Lynn personally, and he is actually quite humble. As a young maker, he is proud of his knives. He should be, they are first rate. I can think of a few forumites off the top of my head who post truely meaningless stuff over and over. They are not openly called names because of it, or constantly made fun of in the chat room by our own moderators and administraters. Do I myself mind these other non-knife related posts? Nope, and nobody is twisting my arm to read them either. Lynn has been personally attacked in the forums and the chat room by the very people who are supposed to keep it from happening. I guess to sum things up, everything Lynn has been accused of, I have seen from other makers and posters. But some of them happen to be in the "in crowd" so to speak, so it is ok when they do it. Some will say that Lynn has broken rules by skating a thin line of self promotion outside the exchange forum, and asking a question that some say he justs asks as an excuse to bring up his knives. I can show you any number of makers who have done the same thing and it seems to be ok. Personally I hope all the good makers continue to promote themselves as I just love to read and see pictures of good knives. If you dont like Lynns posting or methods of asking questions, fine. Everybody is entitled to thier opinion. But I do know that he does not deserve to be called lame, an idiot, or otherwise personally insulted either in here or in the chat room. I do not recall anywhere that Lynn has attacked or flamed anybody. There are a few makers that I have seen make nasty comments about Lynn. I know from past conversations with Lynn, that he had the utmost respect for the makers and thier work. Please, if you do not know Lynn, take the chance to get to know him. He is just another knife knut like the rest of us. And also happens to be a damn fine maker who truely enjoys the knife community.

Before it is brought into question, let me state that all the above comment are my point of view and opinions. I am not Lynns or anybody elses spokesperson. I do not "get anything" in exchange for this. I simply felt the need to support a friend that I believe has been unfairly attacked and insulted.

Richard


 
Richard, thank-you for your thoughts. I agree with a lot of what you said. But Nobody here in this thread challenged Lynn, or said anything bad about him. I didn't know about the controversy in the Spyderco forum. And I don't know anything about chat room discussions. I tried that medium. But it was so fast, so confusing, and so limited really clear expression of thought to the point that I haven't gone back there again.

I said what I felt. I didn't intend to hurt Lynn, nor did anyone else who posted in this thread before Lynn's last post. Clearly Lynn was upset about something from my reading of his last post in This thread. But I and others didn't know what was wrong. Please post your commentary over in the 'contentious' thread if you haven't already. A defense of Lynn and his posts (that I also enjoy), makes more sense there, than here.

Lynn, a little friendly advice, please take a breather. Don't email anyone. Don't post for a day or so. Lots of people love you here at Bladeforums. And I'm sure that includes some of the people you are now thinking are your enemies. You do need to think a little bit more about what you're doing and what people are saying. Learn from this experience. Life and the forums Will go on. And so will you. Best wishes for you and your business (really).

Paracelsus (trying really hard to help, not to fight or poke fun)
 
Richard, whatever was said in the chat room was, in effect, a private conversation. I'm not looking to fan any flames here, but your repeating what you heard is very inappropriate.
 
Richard, whatever was said in the chat room was, in effect, a private conversation.
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I was going to stay out of this, but you mean to tell me, and everybody else here, that a PUBLIC chatroom that is available to any member of this forum should be considered private conversation? GET REAL!!!!! Who are you trying to kid with that nonsense? Every member of this forum could have been there and seen that. I personally wasn't there and cannot say what was or wasn't said, but I think you just cleared it up for us. That sounded like you just admitted that there was negative things said about Lynn in the chat room. If it was the folks that are in charge of this place doing the bad mouthing then I am disappointed indeed! Someone needs to come forward and clear this up.
 
Whoooooaaaa, let's clear up some misconceptions here real quick.

1. The chatroom isn't considered a private and priviledged conversation. I agree, that's a silly notion. However, like any and all conversations, some things may be brought up there that don't need to be repeated publically.

2. Yes, I did email Lynn about his self-promotion. However, it was in response to several emails that we've been getting about his self promotion tactics on these forums. I refer you all to the <a href="http://www.bladeforums.com/faqs" target="_blank">FAQ's</a>, where it states that we don't tolerate "Commercials and Billboards", that is, threads created by a party who's intention is to sell their product outside of the appropriate forums. I've looked over the threads in question, and I agree - Lynn is a bit overeager to promote himself and his products on the forums. This also isn't the first time that I've had to email him on it.

I don't have a problem with him answering questions on his products. I don't have a problem with him showing off something he's done, or answering a question, or lending his voice to a discussion. However, everything must be done in moderation.

3. Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. You reap what you sow. Every action has consequences. If Lynn has garnered a reputation for ceaseless self promotion as a result of such actions, then he has to deal with the consequences. You can see the results of such actions in the thread from the Spyderco forum mentioned above.

The best course of action is to take this in stride. Nothing was said that was world shattering. The problem is easily solved. Lynn is not a stupid guy, and he has talent, everyone recognizes that. Like anything else, this is constructive criticism - he needs to back off a bit with the self promotion and he'll be just fine. It's that simple.

Spark

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1. The chatroom isn't considered a private and priviledged conversation.I agree, that's a silly notion. However, like any and all conversations, some things may be brought up there that don't need to be repeated publically.
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This is really none of my business, so after this post I am done with it. I think you are missing the point here, Spark. These things were said publicly and I think it has probably hurt Lynn's feelings more then anything. I wouldn't know Lynn if he walked up and knocked my head off, but I feel that it was very inappropriate behavior. If you folks think that he is promoting himself and his knives too much then discuss it with him privately. I know that you have done that, but for people to go to a public chatroom and talk bad about a person, and then when someone calls them on it they come back with "Well that was said in a chatroom and shouldn't be repeated" sounds bad to me. Just for an example, according to what you guys are saying then when Maddog posted all those ridiculous things about Mike and our forum on his forum, then Mike was out of line for bringing it over here and calling him on it. Now I do not think that was the case at all. I think Mike done exactly what needed to be done, and I even said so in that post.

I guess all I am trying to say is that it seems that there were several people out of line here. O.K. so you feel that Lynn posts too much in the wrong place, maybe he does and hopefully you can get that worked out with him, but if all these bad things were said about Lynn then maybe an apology is due. This is just my opinion and with it I am going to leave this alone.
 
Gene, I think you are missing the point. A chat room is not a semi-permanent record. It's like talking to coworkers or chatting in a bar. After the room closes, there's nothing left (unless you log it, but that's a different story).

People are going to be frank with their opinions during conversations. We all are. You say things among friends that you wouldn't want broadcast on TV, it's a fact of life. Chat is a temporary medium, like the office conversation. The forums are the equivalent of a newspaper - semi permanent, and very public. There is a differance.

I'll be honest, Lynn has gotten a less than favorable response in the chat room, just like a few other people. However, until recently it hasn't been spilled over into the forums. The blame for that, however, lies more on his shoulders for acting in such a way where people feel that way about him.

Some people think I'm a hardass, or short tempered, or any of 1000 other names that I've been called, and I deal with it, because I know that something I've done has made them feel that way. If I'm right, I'm right, and I'll explain why. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll apologize for it. But thems the breaks and you can't please everyone. The best thing you can do is be responsible for yourself and try to do the right thing.

Spark

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I don't mean to be confrontational but it seems that I should clarify my statement a bit -- in particular, what I meant by "private conversation" and "inappropriate". I'm fairly precise in my choice of words. I did not say, nor mean to imply, that chat room conversations are in any way privileged or confidential. You're right on one count, Gene
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: "Every member of the forum could have been there and seen that." (The emphasis is mine.) For those who may not be familiar with chat, when in a chat room, the list of other participants is displayed. In other words, unlike a bulletin board, when you make a statement in a chat room you know who is there to see it. I think Spark's analogy, "It's like talking to coworkers or chatting in a bar", is right on point. Although such exchanges are not normally privileged or confidential, most people will weigh what they say in light of the others who are present.

Originally posted by GeneL74:
I personally wasn't there and cannot say what was or wasn't said, but I think you just cleared it up for us. That sounded like you just admitted that there was negative things said about Lynn in the chat room.
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You're wrong, Gene. There is no QED -- I wasn't there to learn what was said either. My objection was made on principle. Have you ever heard the one about the meaning of assume?
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These things were said publicly...
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Here again I take issue with the broad use of "publicly". Yes, the chat room is public in the sense that it is open to all. Chat room conversations however, as Spark pointed out, are not meant to be broadcast but are rather intended for the smaller audience that is in attendance.

...and I think it has probably hurt Lynn's feelings more then anything.
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I can't say whether or not Lynn's feeling were hurt by his learning that people were talking about him in chat. If they were, it is a shame but I doubt whether that was anyone's intention. If he was hurt, however, it is Richard's unfortunate mention of the chat conversation that is to blame. Otherwise, how would Lynn have learned of it?

I'll rephrase my original statement to say that whatever was said in the chat room should have remained there. I still maintain that to repeat it here was inappropriate.


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[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 01-06-2000).]
 
I'm inclined to think that Lynn is sometimes a bit too agressive as a self-promoter but as a maker and enthusiast that is hardly a fatal flaw. Something has to keep the enthusiast inside alive ,and as a teacher, my joy in sharing my knowledge keeps me going.
Should making mountains out of molehills become an Olympic Sport some of our brothers might make getting a place on the team difficult.
Please remember that we are all here because we all love the subject and we like to share with like-minded souls. If we can't respect and get along with each other, who will we talk to about our particular branch of arcane knowledge

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Opinions Vary! I am as entitled to mine as you are to yours! It's obvious that we all feel strongly about our opinions and that neither side is going to budge, so how about we just let this dog die and get back to what we all love, KNIVES!!!!

Did I tell you guys that I have a Ron Gaston Tanto on order that should be here any day now! I can hardly wait!!! This is my first Gaston knife. You guys have any of his work?
 
As far as I'm concerned, Gene, you've got a deal! I'm not familiar with Ron Gaston's work. Can you point us to a Web site or other source of info? Also, please be sure to post your impressions of the tanto after it arrives.

For my part, I'm going to go back to scanning the horizon for my letter carrier.
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I'm hoping for my new Raker neck knife to arrive today. Here's a pic for your viewing pleasure:
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It did come yesterday & I posted my impressions in the Reviews forum last night.
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001210.html
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[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 01-07-2000).]
 
Great Brian! First of all I would like to say that, that is one sweet blade! I'll be looking forward to the review! As far as Ron Gaston, well I do not think he has a website. He has an ad that runs every month in Blade Mag. and I believe that either A.G. Russell or Nordic Knives in CA. has a few of his blades for sale (with pics). Nordic Knives web address is www.nordicknives.com He is truly a talented maker from Woodruff, SC and he does have catalogs available. You can either call 864-433-0807 or write Ron Gaston 330 Gaston Dr Woodruff, SC 29388 for one. I think that he charges a small fee for them. Take care!


Yes! I just checked. Nordic Knives has a Gaston Tanto for sale. It is number 134. You will see what I mean when you visit their site. Take care!

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Thanks for the info, Gene. I just looked at the Gaston that Nordic has for sale. After tweaking the picture a bit locally, I was able to see more detail than is apparent on their site. That is one fine looking knife.

BTW, I wasn't entirely correct when I said that I didn't know Gaston's work. Seeing the pic jogged my memory a bit. I saw him at the NY Custom Knife Show in Nov. IIRC, his table was right next to Bud Nealy's. He does really beautiful work. Enjoy yours! I'm looking forward to the review.


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