The Ganzo G8012 Fixed Blade Review

[Sergeua]

It's not a knock-off and being inspired by other designs isn't a new thing in the knife world.
Just like any framelock knife out there isn't a clone of the Sebenza.
Head of ZT design team have admitted (on this forum) that they were.

Your Chinese friends draw their inspiration from alot of popular knives.

Self respected members of this forum look down on this. No other company does it so blatantly.

There is a sebenza looking ganzo there too I am not going to put a picture of it up. You already know this.

The inspiration for this gerber came down to manufacturing savings imho. The blade grind is less complex than gerber. Easy does it. Who cares where the tip is. The fire logo is placed on a seam where grind begins... They just had to have it anyhow. It wasn't thought through.

You posted about this original design. We looked at it and told you it's poop. Blade is whack. The handle is whack and ability to take it apart is not desired. The rest of comments towards ganzo they have brought on themselves.

Your site is called
bestchineseknives

"Best Chinese Knives - Original, Clones, Replicas by Atech Reviews"

You have a YouTube channel that's linked to all of this.
Your opinions are biased and not trustworthy.
You are a reviewer on a budget who probably is getting stuff for free from said companies. Hence you are a chinese products promoter for personal gain.

@Spark
We are not allowed to sell these items, said person is advocating to the community, on exchange. I would like this account to be reviewed. He is careful about what he posts, as he mentioned earlier in this thread. This person is here to promote himself and takes every opportunity to participate in every thread with a hint of chinese manufacturing being discussed.

 

[chiral.grolim]

That is exactly where you are wrong.
Both knives have a sub frame lock on a carbon fiber scale - first used by Sinkevich.
So we have a similar overall design and the same lock.
If you look closely on the Gerber's handle and on the Ganzo one - you could spot a few differences there as well.

Sub-frame-lock is a style, and Kershaw had it on the Knockout and patented it: US Patent 9,120,234
The ZT also sports a sub-frame lock, but i cannot see the lock on the Sidis knife, do you have a shot of the other side? Not that it would matter, there are many other knives with sub-frame locks, just as there are many liner-locks and frame-locks. THAT would not make the knives copies or even "influenced" on its own, just as it is not the axis-lock on the Ganzo PM2 that makes it like the PM2
Carbon-fiber scales is also not unique, and indeed that Sidis appears to have titanium(?) liners beneath the CF scales. I cannot even see if the locking mechanism is a liner.

No, what makes those two knives similar is the shape of the back of the handle and the fact that both have an index groove. That's it, done.

The Ganzo sports the Gerber's handle, indeed you could probably insert the blank from each into the other's handle. It lacks the guard holes and hammer-pommel and adds GITD strips and a welded-on nut. The Ganzo mimics the Gerber's sheath and firesteel design, with the addition of an extra rope/strap cutter. The Ganzo features the Gerber's firesteel striker and even the logo for it, along with the blade coating and really only the blade shape is different. As soon as I posted the two images, everyone who saw them went, "Oh!" And indeed there are youtube videos comparing the two since EVERYONE EVERYWHERE recognizes the copy. Even you, I have no doubt.

But the ZT design? The head of the design team came on to discuss the matter, and the connection while evident is not really blatant, folk had to say, "Hey, that kind looks like one of his knives, I could imagine him designing that..." and the design-chief agreed to apparent similarities but stressed that it was not a copy of any kind (which is easy to agree with), and then ZT began collaborating out-right with the other maker and producing his designs! What a great story

Now, let's see you bring the Ganzo "design team" out to discuss their designs, eh?

That is just an ignorant lie.
Check out the Ganzo G743, G721, G736, G748 and I could give you a few more.
They do have 100% original designs, you just haven't bothered to check that, didn't you?
You can get off this thread any time now.

I admit that i am too ignorant of Protech's various designs to speak to the "originality" of the 4 very similar Ganzo's you just presented, all of which seem to be variations on a single theme. Had I the time or inclination, i would look further into which models they are copying, but I am OK remaining ignorant and not buying them

Like I said - it was before they started to collaborate.
But I don't blame you for not knowing this...

For not knowing what? That ZT didn't copy a design and was willing to have their chief on the project come out on a public forum to discuss the matter, and that ZT currently collaborates with that very same designer and produces his knives here in the USA? Actually, I did know all of that Thanks anyway!

 

[chiral.grolim]

You see, I don't consider myself as bad.
Don't think Ganzo will ever get the chance to collaborate with some of the leading designers out there.
I would totally would like to see that happen.
Who knows, maybe they will be like the Shirogorov some day.
They did start from a pretty similar position.

Are you asserting that the Shirogorov brothers started out as counterfeiters?

 

[AtechReviews]

Are you asserting that the Shirogorov brothers started out as counterfeiters?

I knew you were misinformed .
Just google "Shirogorov 806".

 

[Hackenslash]

Any argument for validity that relies on "X did it too!!!" is total weaksauce. Can we please focus on the merits, or lack of merits, of Ganzo knives without diluting the topic with references to alleged instances of similar wrongdoing? Don't you see what an epic fail that is?

 

[AtechReviews]

Any argument for validity that relies on "X did it too!!!" is total weaksauce. Can we please focus on the merits, or lack of merits, of Ganzo knives without diluting the topic with references to alleged instances of similar wrongdoing? Don't you see what an epic fail that is?

The man asked and got an answer.
Anyway - I think it is very relevant.
Just to see the double standards people will pull out now to justify this.
I expect you and your buddies to condemn that as well (no excuses allowed ).

 

[Hackenslash]

I knew you were misinformed .
Just google "Shirogorov 806".

And you see the reception it got on Blade Forum many, many years ago...http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/shirogorovs-russian-afck.545891/

The early transgressions of Shiro have been compensated by their attempt to go mainstream and legit. Hell, they had an Axis lock on the Tabargan up until just a few years ago. But those models are no longer for sale and no longer being produced. Shiro is now where we could only hope Ganzo could someday be, albeit with much cheaper options. They've (Ganzo) shown they can sometimes make a decent'ish knife, now make that decent'ish knife without stealing the creativity of others. Why is this such a hard concept for the clone supporters to understand?

What has Ganzo done to legitimize their stable of production knives? Don't bother, I'll answer for you...Nothing.

Please bring you A-game.

 

[bearfacedkiller]

Two wrongs do not make a right. Weak defense.

Can we please get a ruling from someone in charge around here! This forum is supposed to support the industry. Is that what Atech is doing?

Besides that fact that all this bickering is detracting from the experience we all come here to enjoy many of us obviously feel as though this is detrimental to the knife hobby and industry. Enough is enough.

 

[chiral.grolim]

I knew you were misinformed .
Just google "Shirogorov 806".

I am not "misinformed", that would imply having been "informed" with incorrect information, like you just tried.

Benchmade disco'd the 806, then some Russian fans of the knife commissioned the brothers to make a few and they did.
Want to tell us how many they made and how much they charged for them?
Want to tell us if they licensed the tech?
Want to tell us if, importantly, they still make the design?

Knowing more about the history of the Shirogorov Tabargan, and of the brothers themselves, is very enlightening. And guess what? You can ask them. Again, let's see you bring out the Ganzo "designers" to justify their products.

The man asked and got an answer.
Anyway - I think it is very relevant.
Just to see the double standards people will pull out now to justify this.
I expect you and your buddies to condemn that as well (no excuses allowed ).

Indeed the Tabargan was condemned as a Benchmade copy even though Becnhamde had disco'd the design and even when the Tabargan was produced in such low numbers for ridiculously high prices, and the Shirogorov brothers were condemned for use of the axis-lock, and (again, importantly) they stopped using it altogether even when production capacity increased and prices became more affordable for a wider market.

False equivalency is false. They copied ONE KNIFE and got hit for it, even though they made very few and charged $$$$$$$$ for each one. They stopped. Any word one when those Ganzo-Reps will be available for questions?

 

[bhyde]

"We are not allowed to sell these items, said person is advocating to the community, on exchange. I would like this account to be reviewed. He is careful about what he posts, as he mentioned earlier in this thread. This person is here to promote himself and takes every opportunity to participate in every thread with a hint of chinese manufacturing being discussed."

Reviewed and I think I am done

It's not the Chinese manufacturing that's the problem at all. Yes, there are a lot of tributes/clones/counterfeits coming out of China, but you cannot blame a whole country for it. The problem is the spirit of what this forum is all about and the rule about not selling fakes applies in my opinion.
We can't on one hand, say "no fakes" in the exchange, but permit the usage of this site to make an argument counter to that and allow it to continue.
The ideals don't mesh- It's more like water and oil. This isn't what an enthusiast site should be about.

Even a blind person can tell that much of what Ganzo has made is a copy of other manufacturers works- I'm not here to discuss that at all.
To put it pretty bluntly, coming here to review knives and support the IP theft and direct traffic to a site promoting them is a NO GO ZONE.

To be very clear, this has nothing to do with knives made in China- I personally don't give two hoots where they are made- If it's a good knife and it strikes me, I will buy it, but this also requires some originality.


Atechreviews has been banned and this thread is done-