The Garberg arrived today

No man, sorry..... My health nosedived and I haven't been able to get back out with it. I'm pleased to see reviews and youtubes popping up in many places on the net. So far, it's very well received by people that actually bought them. :thumbup:
 
Mine works quite well as I thought it would. The steel doesn't seem to be much different from the older ones. Easy to sharpen, gets very sharp. Without the higher carbon of other steel it doesn't have the wear resistance but ease of sharpening makes up for that. Fits my large hand ,in all a fine knife.
 
SAK Guy said:
No man, sorry..... My health nosedived and I haven't been able to get back out with it. I'm pleased to see reviews and youtubes popping up in many places on the net. So far, it's very well received by people that actually bought them. :thumbup:
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That sucks (being sick, that is). Hope you have a chance to enjoy the Mora soon.
 
SAK,

Very sorry to hear that sir. I greatly enjoy your posts and commentary.

Feel better soon!
 
I only own two Moras. An old #1 classic with plain wood handle and a Mora 2000. Both are inpressive in their own right. Ironically both came to me as gifts attached to other knife deals.

I contemplate going full tilt and ordering a Garberg straight off. Or easing more slowly into the pool and going with the Bushcraft Black first.

My time with the #1 has sealed my affection for Mora Knives. It arrived well used and only slightly loved. I tuned it up a tad and gave it some affection. Then I proceeded to use the crap out of it. Surprisingly capable little knife. From slicing thin tomatoes or salami to batoning wood. It has done all I asked of it. And left me scratching my head at how well it works.

I was never a Mora hater. But I might not have become a fan without the generosity of others.

Some days, I stare at my knife draws, and wonder. Suppose I had just taken $500.00 or $600.00 and instead of a few customs or well heeled factory jobs. Just spent it all on Mora Knives.

A Garberg, a Bushcraft Black, that pretty little brass number that resembles the #1 only better appointed, the 277, for Gentleman Carry. Maybe the Pathfinder for chopping. The rest in work knives, and carving knives.

I might not have the asthetically beautiful assortment I have now. But I can't think of much I would want for, blade wise.

Interestingly enough, as I type this. There are three knives sitting on my kitchen table that would close to double that amount of money. Plus, I just ordered another knife this morning. And yet, I used my #1 to make my lunch.

At times like this I ask my self those important philosophical questions. Like, is John Wayne? Was Marvin Gaye? And did Sonny Cher?

Followed by a more important question. Why am I so stupid?

These Mora threads have me rethinking my whole knife philosophy. Which if I'm truthful, isn't really a philosophy at all. It is more akin to a snowball rolling down hill.
 
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LostViking said:
Followed by a more important question. Why am I so stupid?

These Mora threads have me rethinking my whole knife philosophy. Which if I'm truthful, isn't really a philosophy at all. It is more akin to a snowball rolling down hill.
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There was a fine thread going about this about two months ago until the OP shut it down (unfortunately). http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...en-Did-I-Become-a-quot-Low-End-Knife-quot-Guy

I have some $200+ knives but usually use Moras and SAKs. I'm at the point with both knives and firearms that if it's not going to be used for the purpose for which it was intended, I'm going to sell it or avoid buying in the first place.
 
I have a hard time spending too much coin on a Mora knife. Not that the more expensive ones aren't worth it but....well..... In any case I look forward to your longer terms impressions.
 
I have not handled a Garberg yet, but look forward to getting my hands on one. I'm undecided on whether to buy one or not.

Quick, sincere question for those who just can't stomach shelling out the money for a Garberg (seems to be a big group).

What would need to be changed, or added to the Garberg (in your opinion) to make it worth the asking price?

I'm not defending the knife or the price, just wondering what makes the Garberg unworthy of the price while similar knives by other manufacturers don't raise eyebrows. Again, having not handled one I am asking an honest question that will aid in my decision as to whether I get one or not.

A similar comparison for me is the Helle line. I have a Helle Viking, which I paid $100 for. Is it worth the price? Was to me. Much more so than the price of some Spydercos and other folders, but that's mainly due to my knife usage and preferences - very subjective.
The other knives in the Helle lineup have always struck me as way overpriced, especially when I handled them. They do their intended job very well, but in many ways feel less suited for heavy work than Moras do to me. I've always wondered Helle's merit the higher prices. Pretty handles? Pretty sheaths? Is the steel markedly better? Again, I'm asking these questions sincerely.
 
I haven't used 14C28, but Helle steel is better at edge holding than the other Sandvic steels. IMO. There is also the beauty factor, which I appreciate.
So I think Helle are worth a bit more.
So for relative value, I think the Garberg isn't too badly priced. I expect the handle is significantly tougher than a Helle handle.

People are used to Mora's costing under $40. The Garberg is a jump, that may take a bit of time.
 
I love mine been real happy with it. I've been edc'ing it since I've gotten it. Handle is really comfortable for me edge retention has been great no issues so far I also like the idea behind the multi mount sheath. It's a keeper for me I just got a 2nd one for a backup haha.
 
I have received mine, with leather sheath, but I haven't had a chance to really use it yet. Quality and value are opinions..., and, opinions vary. Based on MY initial impressions and MY opinion, the knife is well worth the money.
 
Robert, I hope you're on the mend!

Lost Viking... I have a very strong bias towards the low-price/high-value knives.

In the 70s, when I was learning bikes, the deraillers available were from France and Italy and they were horrible, even the expensive Campy ones. SunTour came out with a cheap "slant-parallelagram" derailleur, the most ubiquitous version being the Vx-GT. If you walked into any bike shop in the 70s, this was the standard replacement derailler and many owners of expensive bikes at crow and put them on their bikes.

This drove home to me that design trumps material and design trumps fit and finish and design trumps aesthetics. And when a winning design can be mass produced with good enough materials -- well then... What you have is a hard truth that above that price point, you're paying for aesthetics and bragging rights and quite often (not always, but often) for no appreciable gain in performance.

It's this last bit that can and does drive people so crazy - that a low priced item if well designed can perform as well or better than many high priced items. This reality runs counter to the marketing religion we all participate in as consumers in which "you get what you pay for" is taken as creed.

Not all cheap stuff is good, obviously. But good designs are good and the Moras are good designs.
 
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Robert, I hope you're on the mend!

Lost Viking... I have a very strong bias towards the low-price/high-value knives.

In the 70s, when I was learning bikes, the deraillers available were from France and Italy and they were horrible, even the expensive Campy ones. SunTour came out with a cheap "slant-parallelagram" derailleur, the most ubiquitous version being the Vx-GT. If you walked into any bike shop in the 70s, this was the standard replacement derailler and many owners of expensive bikes at crow and put them on their bikes.

This drove home to me that design trumps material and design trumps fit and finish and design trumps aesthetics. And when a winning design can be mass produced with good enough materials -- well then... What you have is a hard truth that above that price point, you're paying for aesthetics and bragging rights and quite often (not always, but often) for no appreciable gain in performance.

It's this last bit that can and does drive people so crazy - that a low priced item if well designed can perform as well or better than many high priced items. This reality runs counter to the marketing religion we all participate in as consumers in which "you get what you pay for" is taken as creed.

Not all cheap stuff is good, obviously. But good designs are good and the Moras are good designs.
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Yeah that.

And the more you know about the properties of things the less likely you are to use price a litmus of quality. Nobody needs to use a heuristic, that often holds up, if they already posses a more sophisticated mental model. A rule of thumb is an economical “gist like” understanding that frees-up processing power to be doing something else. If you've already bothered to make the learning about something what use is a gist.
 
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I was casually wondering how much different a knife would have to be before the maker screws themselves. I was thinking what if ubiquitous Opinels were 1mm thicker in the blade and that blade was made from 52100. Add on an oak handle and tart up the locking ring a bit. Lets say that sells for £100. Would they shoot themselves in the foot to then release the beech handled simple stamped lock ring type ones we have now for £10. mmmm Dunno.

Makes me wonder if these came first, and Mora were successful with them, would they have never released the ones we are all familiar with to avoid foot shooting. And how many other knife brands can we hold up to that.
 
pinnah said:
Robert, I hope you're on the mend!

Lost Viking... I have a very strong bias towards the low-price/high-value knives.

In the 70s, when I was learning bikes, the deraillers available were from France and Italy and they were horrible, even the expensive Campy ones. SunTour came out with a cheap "slant-parallelagram" derailleur, the most ubiquitous version being the Vx-GT. If you walked into any bike shop in the 70s, this was the standard replacement derailler and many owners of expensive bikes at crow and put them on their bikes.

This drove home to me that design trumps material and design trumps fit and finish and design trumps aesthetics. And when a winning design can be mass produced with good enough materials -- well then... What you have is a hard truth that above that price point, you're paying for aesthetics and bragging rights and quite often (not always, but often) for no appreciable gain in performance.

It's this last bit that can and does drive people so crazy - that a low priced item if well designed can perform as well or better than many high priced items. This reality runs counter to the marketing religion we all participate in as consumers in which "you get what you pay for" is taken as creed.

Not all cheap stuff is good, obviously. But good designs are good and the Moras are good designs.
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Pinnah,

That was well worded and very though provoking.


On a different note, will Mora be offering the Garberg blades as well as the whole knife? Might be neat to buy the full-tang blade and apply my own handle. Just wondering.
 
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I was casually wondering how much different a knife would have to be before the maker screws themselves. I was thinking what if ubiquitous Opinels were 1mm thicker in the blade and that blade was made from 52100. Add on an oak handle and tart up the locking ring a bit. Lets say that sells for £100. Would they shoot themselves in the foot to then release the beech handled simple stamped lock ring type ones we have now for £10. mmmm Dunno.

Makes me wonder if these came first, and Mora were successful with them, would they have never released the ones we are all familiar with to avoid foot shooting. And how many other knife brands can we hold up to that.
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Mora is following a pattern that Opinel and Buck have successfully used. Opinel to a limited extent and Buck to a huge extent, offers upgraded versions of the basic models. You can find limited run Opinels north of $200 and limited runs and custom-shop Bucks with upgrade blades and scales.

I would guess this move is complimentary, not competitive. Different customer base.
 
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