The gerberLMF!

Kirk_Ferentz said:
The sales model of gerber seems to be maybe to sell a lot of okay knives to people who don't know or care much about knives that are in most cases not the best bang for your buck if you know what you are doing ...
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Not just a little snobbery on your part either, right? Hopefully, with you in the know on this you will be able to shine your light on those that like and use this knife.

And it is good to know that the folks that buy this knife 1) don't know much about knives, and 2) don't care about knives. I didn't know that.

Glad you could project your opinion across all the folks that happily choose and use this knife. You know, like the men and women in the armed forces that use this knife when they are serving in theater.

Kirk_Ferentz said:
That is, if you need to cut something, it is probably about 95% better than not having a knife
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That's just silly. If you needed a knife and there was nothing else available to use as a cutter, are you saying Are there other instruments of choice that make up the other 5% if you don't have a knife when you need one? A rock? A guitar? A squirrel?

To stay on topic about this exact knife, the LMF, and not use this thread as an indictment of Gerber or to bash those that use it, I have heard nothing but good things about this particular knife from those that have used it.

One of the clubs I belong to there in town is extremely slanted towards currently military, their families, and veterans. Some of done more than one tour in combat, in the middle east. I have met serving sons of members that are currently in Afghanistan. They laugh at this knife as not being a good cutter, but wouldn't go out without it. They have told me "you just can't bust it" (it's that dependable in the field) more than once. And the carbide scraper/sharpener inside the sheath is a life saver for those that can't sharpen or don't have the gear. It stays at least 'serviceable' in the sharpness department.

Again, concerning this particular knife (I'm not a Gerber fan, believe it or not) the soldiers I have talked to see it as their version of the WWII Kabar. Part cutter, part prybar, part chopper, part digging tool, part whatever it needs to be. For them, it is simply a reliable tool.

Robert
 
By the way if you didn't notice on my location all this time I am in Iraq now using it. Though i did bring a sharpener so as to avoid the carbide scraper/sharpener inside the sheath. I will say this though, used it once, and as far as carbide scrapers go its the best. (AKA least bad)
 
CRossRifles2008 said:
By the way if you didn't notice on my location all this time I am in Iraq now using it. Though i did bring a sharpener so as to avoid the carbide scraper/sharpener inside the sheath. I will say this though, used it once, and as far as carbide scrapers go its the best. (AKA least bad)
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CRossRifles, would you PM here and shoot me your email address? I may have something that you and your fellow soldiers would be interested in. Don't get too excited...:D, it's just a small token of appreciation from a group of guys.

If the PM doesn't work, try my email:

thetrashnailshooter@sbcglobal.net

Just paste it in your address block, take out "the trash" and it should work.

To the Mods: I am not selling anything, I am not asking for anything besides a method of contact. I will not and have not linked to any website, nor do I represent any website, company, or other business venture that is looking for business or any other financial benefit from or on this website.


Just reaching out to those that serve... and to stay on topic, those that have and use the LMF.... :thumbup:

Robert
 
marcinek said:
Nice use of the "jerkit" by the way...
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:o Woops, didn't realize that wasn't allowed. Sorry, Mods.

Longtrang said:
This soldier does not like it because it has such soft steel. I like my K-Bar better.
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There we go! A soldier who didn't like it because he prefers harder steel.
Out of curiosity, is there anything you liked about the LMFII-design (particular features) that you wouldn't mind employed in a Kabar? What I mean is, was the soft steel your main complaint - if KaBar released the same knife but in 1095 with their HT, would you spend $60-$80 for it? Or do you also prefer the simplicty of the older style combat knife?

(For the record, I'm a civilian who does own an LMFII, my only Gerber, but who prefers the Cattaraugus 225Q he inherited from a WWII-vet - lighter, simpler, and harder steel to serve my civilian purposes.)

CRossRifles2008 said:
...I am in Iraq now using it.
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And there is the other end :thumbup: Thank you for your service, sir. I hope midnight flyer's offer is useful to y'all.
For the continuing conversation (if no one minds that it head this way) is there anything you'd like to see improved about the LMFII-design? Would you prefer a harder 1095 blade? A less obtuse edge? I guess a diamond-plate sharpener (rather than the V-carbides) is an obvious alteration:D...

My hope is that, given all the 'special collaboration with real military personnel in designing this knife' that companies advertise, maybe a couple of soldiers who like the KaBar and a couple who prefer the LMFII can offer some real input into what they think of these two designs in particular...
Who knows, maybe something useful will come out of it.... :o
 
youre in iraq? right now. thank you for your service......btw whats your m.o.s? just curios.....if you cant say i understand stay safe:thumbup: i think i fine soldier should have only the best.......paid for by the federal government.
at least i could have a say in where my taxes go.
 
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Apec said:
I read a while back that a soldier in Iraq used it to sever a live power cable to knock out the lights in a building during an engagement. The insulated handle protected him from the current, though it was strong enough to take chunks out of the edge.
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no disrepect intended . thats a absolute impossibility. he would have gotten shocked within a three foot distance..prior to even touching a power line.
 
chiral.grolim said:
There we go! A soldier who didn't like it because he prefers harder steel.
Out of curiosity, is there anything you liked about the LMFII-design (particular features) that you wouldn't mind employed in a Kabar? What I mean is, was the soft steel your main complaint - if KaBar released the same knife but in 1095 with their HT, would you spend $60-$80 for it? Or do you also prefer the simplicty of the older style combat knife?
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I like the LMF design, if it was in 1095, D2, S30V etc. I would be sold. The LMF feels solid and I like it's features, just not the steel. A BK2 isn't that much more expensive and it's well worth the extra $10-$20. I carried the SOG SEAL 2000 for years, it takes a wicked edge but dulls even after only one or two uses (cutting 550 cord, plastic sheeting or canvas). Since 12C27 is basically AUS 6 I don't have much faith in it's edge retention. Here is my beat up SOG, as you can see I have put AUS 6 through it's paces.
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friedporkchop said:
...thats a absolute impossibility. he would have gotten shocked within a three foot distance..prior to even touching a power line.
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Rather than contradict your understanding of the mechanics of the matter, I'll just provide reference.
Back in '05 SPC Dillard Johnson's letter to Gerber was all over the web. I think they even gave Gerber some kind of award...? The letter itself is still posted a few places, and you can google both it and him. The pic of his knife-blade is available on wikipedia. If you trust a soldier's word, it worked like he said it did.
 
chiral.grolim said:
Rather than contradict your understanding of the mechanics of the matter, I'll just provide reference.
Back in '05 SPC Dillard Johnson's letter to Gerber was all over the web. I think they even gave Gerber some kind of award...? The letter itself is still posted a few places, and you can google both it and him. The pic of his knife-blade is available on wikipedia. If you trust a soldier's word, it worked like he said it did.
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yes but im a expert i got shocked which resulted in a upper arm amputation. but was 8000 volts. i know for a fact i was getting shocked before i made contact. and was frozen. but thinking. made contact with power line at work...you may google lightning strike and electrical shock victims international.:thumbup: good reading, ive studied this for 15 years.
 
marcinek said:
You are right! If a knife has "Infantry" in its name, it must be a real soldiers knife. Just like a knife with "Spec", "Gov", "Ops", "Tec", "Mil", or "XTreme" in its name is used by real super secret high speed "operators." :cool:
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People here sure are sensitive about my SpecGovOpsTechMilXtreme....

but back on topic, I've got a few buddies who love the LMF, they are all soldiers, and none of them are knife people (they own and regularly use knives, but don't care much beyond that, talk about steels and grinds and geometry goes in one ear and out the other) and when I get to talkin about it, particularly the serrations they say

"well if you are stuck in a downed helicopter, how are you gonna cut the seatbelts and cordage?"

and I just leave it like that :rolleyes:


If they have a knife they like, I'm happy for them, that's all


btw friedporkchop, that really sucks, I am sorry for you, does that have anything to do with your screen name?
 
nope..i just like fried pork chops puerto rican style.yummy:thumbup:got hurt in lauderdale florida long time now. but it aint all that bad.you must learn how to do with what you got..thats why i cant use a nice slipjiont . cant open it. i lean towards fixed for this reason..but back to miltary knives. what did the op. want a knife for is he special forces.? or is it for sandbags:D
 
midnight flyer said:
Not just a little snobbery on your part either, right? Hopefully, with you in the know on this you will be able to shine your light on those that like and use this knife.

And it is good to know that the folks that buy this knife 1) don't know much about knives, and 2) don't care about knives. I didn't know that.

Glad you could project your opinion across all the folks that happily choose and use this knife. You know, like the men and women in the armed forces that use this knife when they are serving in theater.



That's just silly. If you needed a knife and there was nothing else available to use as a cutter, are you saying Are there other instruments of choice that make up the other 5% if you don't have a knife when you need one? A rock? A guitar? A squirrel?

To stay on topic about this exact knife, the LMF, and not use this thread as an indictment of Gerber or to bash those that use it, I have heard nothing but good things about this particular knife from those that have used it.

One of the clubs I belong to there in town is extremely slanted towards currently military, their families, and veterans. Some of done more than one tour in combat, in the middle east. I have met serving sons of members that are currently in Afghanistan. They laugh at this knife as not being a good cutter, but wouldn't go out without it. They have told me "you just can't bust it" (it's that dependable in the field) more than once. And the carbide scraper/sharpener inside the sheath is a life saver for those that can't sharpen or don't have the gear. It stays at least 'serviceable' in the sharpness department.

Again, concerning this particular knife (I'm not a Gerber fan, believe it or not) the soldiers I have talked to see it as their version of the WWII Kabar. Part cutter, part prybar, part chopper, part digging tool, part whatever it needs to be. For them, it is simply a reliable tool.

Robert
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Well if their sales model is to sell to people who are very knowledgeable about knives, it doesn't seem that they are doing a very good job at that.
 
The LMF II will do what you want it too, all I am saying is that there are products available for a similar price that will do it better.
 
I've entertained the idea of getting a Gerber LMF. Never got around to it though. I've heard the sheath is a bit too tight, though the leg tie downs are a nice feature.

No plain edge version either.
 
well you do get a free sharpener that only sharpens a inch of blade?.i dont like what i see , no i dont have one.
 
Key features I would like changed would be the sharpener. I'd rather a pouch on the sheath that holds a small medium hone. On to the Steel Hardness I have yet to be failed by the hardness of the blade, but wouldn't mind something harder like 154CM or S30V. My biggest grip would be the sheath clip. It comes with two straps for the handle and a clip on the hard sheath. You could break into a safe easy than getting to your knife. I tried to file the clip down, but that ended in it breaking off. No sweat of my nose, now its easier to get out.
 
First off, CrossRifles, stay safe and thanks for your service. My younger brother and I are not American (he's Canadian by birth) but he served a year in Iraq (Sadr City) and although he hasn't really discussed too much of what he experienced there I know it was not an easy year.
Anyhow, back on topic. I was seriously considering the LMFII at one point but after a lot of research I went with the Fallkniven F1 and then the RAT RC-4 and RC-6 instead. They just seemed like better built knives. That and I just couldn't get past the serrations on the LMFII.
 
dennis357 said:
I have to agree on the Covert 154CM folder by Gerber, well made and built like a tank.
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Yep always have my covert. If I'm in ACU's its in my pocket. When I get back to the states if my Benchmade Bone Collector Mini Folder is as good as I hope it may have to share time, and hang in my Bugout Bag.
 
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