The greatest video I have ever seen.

fantastic video, 2 gross of cutlers dozen 14x14=196x2=392. that's more blade in a week than most of us will ever make, even if it was only in his heydays. he pretty much makes two blades in 8-9 minutes while doing the video and talking and he has been retired for ? I have no problem believing 1.5 minutes a blade.
 
I really like his "tanging of the blade" when he puts the tang on so he can hold the blade in HT. He does that in 30 seconds...which is amazing. He even notches the tang, so he can snap it off clean after HT.
The other really neat thing was the "Nail Nick" forging. No need for a fly cutter for this chap.
Imagine being able to repetitively form an exact copy of these two folder blades by eye over and over again and have all of them fit together in a knife. I know there is extra metal for the grinder and the cutler, but these are really forged to a close tolerance. My hat is off to this fellow.


Sam, I am sure that he made 336 small parts in a day, but those were not blades like this. Small parts could be lanyard rings, backspring blanks, spacers, etc. The guys were commenting on his making 336 blades a day...which is not what he said.

I was using eight hours as a standard ( see below), even at sixteen hours it would defy logic to forge, harden, and then temper 336 blades. In sixteen hours, you would have needed to take a pee/crap, eat some food, drink some water, take breaks, etc. That would drop the rate to about 2.5 minutes per completed blade .... IIRC, a good nail maker would average out at one to one and a half nails per minute in a days work....and they were making simple unhardened nails.

I went back and watched the video a couple more times, and he spends about seven minutes doing the two blades. In that time, they had several jumps in time (heating time in the forge) and did not show the HT of the second blade. Even at that, he is amazing with his hammer control and accuracy.




As to the length of a work day, even though we all like the stories Grandpa told about walking to work uphill both ways, and the lore of 16 hour days, six days a week in the factory .... this is pretty much the realm of the movies, unless you were a farm worker in the rural South.

In the UK, the labor laws got started right after the industrial revolution. By the mid 1800's, the law was 10 hours a day for six days max. Few worked more than 50 hour weeks. By 1906, when Albert Craven first started at the knife shop, the day was pretty much set at 8 hours for most factories and industries. After WW1 the law became 40 hour workweeks, overtime pay for any work above 40 hours, and a six day max week, with 12 days paid vacation. On top of that you got health and accident insurance, and a retirement...all guaranteed by law.
When Albert started work, jobs like his were called "contracted". That meant that you signed a contract between you and the company agreeing to apprentice with them for a period of time ( ten to fifteen years was common), and they guaranteed you a job, benefits, and continued employment if the first contract period worked out. Silver watches were often given at the time of the first contract completion with the date engraved. You would then sign a new contract with the company, or seek higher wages in the industry elsewhere. Most people stayed with the same company. At the end of the second term ( often twenty-five or thirty years) you received a gold watch with the dates of the entire period engraved. You then became a pensioner and were paid a retirement for life, unless you wanted to stay on until you were around 60 ( which many did). Later laws set the age at 65 in the UK.
 
That was a cool video. I am amazed at his final product. It seems that if you just rubbed it with some sandpaper it would be done. I like watching people forge to so close to final shape like that.
 
Glad some people got it and enjoyed it.

Stacy just like then and just like now, there can be all the laws anyone wants, doesn't mean everyone follows them to the letter. I would tend to believe the guy who was there, I watched it I heard him and have no reason not to believe him, even taking it with a grain of salt it's still an incredible amount of work.
 
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Forgive my total ignorance, but are there any traditional forgers left in Sheffield? This video was made in the 70's, and this guy is surely long gone. If there really aren't any left, at all, then that is truly a pity.
 
Am I the only one who didn't get it? He quenches in water, where's the dreaded ping? He uses coal or charcoal, how does he control his temps? And for the life of me, I don't understand the tempering process he uses, it surely doesn't substutute for a tempering oven. ???
 
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Am I the only one who didn't get it? He quenches in water, where's the dreaded ping? He uses coal or charcoal, how does he control his temps? And for the life of me, I don't understand the tempering process he uses, it surely doesn't substutute for a tempering oven. ???

David, it was the way it was done...and it worked! :)
 
Don, I've used coal and charcoal a lot, so I can understand how, after years of experience, he can judge the temp by colors. I can also understand using water as a quench. It's the tempering method he uses that leaves me confused.
 
Don, I've used coal and charcoal a lot, so I can understand how, after years of experience, he can judge the temp by colors. I can also understand using water as a quench. It's the tempering method he uses that leaves me confused.

I started with coal, very good fuel so no trouble there. Water is a good quench for the right steel so that's good.

Now for tempering, all that's needed is a heat source and since the blade is so small and thin, not a lot of time is needed. He's just heating the blade and watching the colors. Going for blue seems a bit soft, but since he did it quick with no soak time it should be right for a pocket knife blade. I used to temper blades all the time on a wood stove top, by color. It worked very good.
 
Awesome video Sam, thanks for taking the time to post it. It's cool how the very best at their craft make it look so easy.
 
Don, thanks. I guess it's true we learn something every day. I never knew you could temper a blade like that.
 
Thanks for sharing with us Sam. I agree, excellent video! I hope I can swing a hammer well at 85!
 
Amazing watching him hammer that tang shape, cutting and then bending straight like that. And look at his left hand work, the tongs are a lightning quick extension of his hand! Thanks Sam. I'm going to try a couple of those things he did.
 
Am I the only one who didn't get it? He quenches in water, where's the dreaded ping? He uses coal or charcoal, how does he control his temps? And for the life of me, I don't understand the tempering process he uses, it surely doesn't substutute for a tempering oven. ???
That was just the way they did it. What are you walking away with? That controlled temps, soaks and kilns/ovens aren't what they are cracked up to be? Or that they did the best they could with the knowledge and equipment they had at the time?
 
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That was just the way they did it. What are you walking away with? That controlled temps, soaks and kilns/ovens aren't what they are cracked up to be? Or that they are did the best they could with the knowledge and equipment they had at the time?

Darned good question, Rick. Obviously, they did the best they could with what they had, and it did work. I'm walking away with the fact there's more than one way to make a knife, you have to admit most of the methods we talk about here involves contolled ovens, oil quenches, etc. . I had no knowledge of the old time methods or the tempering process he used, thus my questions.
 
Darned good question, Rick. Obviously, they did the best they could with what they had, and it did work. I'm walking away with the fact there's more than one way to make a knife, you have to admit most of the methods we talk about here involves contolled ovens, oil quenches, etc. . I had no knowledge of the old time methods or the tempering process he used, thus my questions.
Bingo... Something we should all ponder upon... :)
 
The first knives I ever made I tempered with a hot piece of steel by laying the spine on the hot steel and watching the colors run..I still have one I use around the farm forged from an old black diamond file.Man its ugly but cuts like crazy, I only sharpen it about twice a year:D
Great video Sam, Im very glad you posted it.
 
When I make hammers, out of 1045, I quench in water, and draw temper by heating up the drift I used, inserting it back into the eye, and watching the colors run toward the faces.

That's the way Brian Brazeal showed me to make a hammer, and it works perfectly. I could HT in the oven, but it would be a big waste of time and electricity, for marginal or zero gains. Now if I was making something out of 52100, or whatever, it'd be foolish not to use an oven or something similar, but I can hit max hardness time after time with 1084 quench in parks and just forge heated, and I've got an RC tester to prove it.

Every tool has it's place, but in the end, it's the results that count, not how you got there.


Great video Sam, thanks so much for sharing.
 
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