The Holy Grail of heat treatment ?

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LOL.

How can people think this is not a nice community ?

Really, are all the people here like that
or the best of the best gathered in one place ?

Old latin proverb:
"when you got no arguments, try the insults"

If you are not popular by now, join in with some insult too.
Don't miss the chance.

And yet the loudest ones are the ones that harden/quench
their blades multiple times.
Like one time is not enough.
Sure, they can't laugh at that when they don't understand why.

Obviously, they like to talk the most about the things
they know nothing about.

If this was a better world, children would learn about orgonites in school.

We would be able to fly to space
and the heat treatment would be something that
children learn in the first grade of elementary school.

And yet, we have "knifemakers" who don't know what
a normalization process is nor how it is performed nor what it is used for.

But they try to mock others.

LOL.

Someone would say that it is too much of testosterone to blame.

I think it is a shortage of something.
Something not measured by degrees or kilos but centimeters...

And you think it is unnoticeable ...
:o
 
Oh man it just never stops on Blade forums.....

Come on which one of you guys is pulling our leg and pretending to be this guy? :D
 
Valar God, I don't think Blade Forums is ready for you. Perhaps you should take a small hiatus. Give us a few years to drink in your suggestions and come to our senses. Don't call us, we'll call you.
 
Ed Braun said:
Stu,
This guy obviously has some imaginary bone to pick with you, either out of professional jealousy, or some illusory insult. More than likely this is some sock puppet account--I'm too new to have witnessed any other conflicts you may have had with other users, but I'm sure that could not have been that many, if any. Likewise, writing is unique to individuals, it might be noteworthy to compare his linguistics and grammar to any of those other individuals who might look to make a personal ad hominem attack.

Otherwise, if this forum system operates like others I've used, mods and admin should be able to peep his IP address. Letting someone like Rick or Stacy know of anybody you might suspect and having them compare IPs should help clear up who it is.

Hope this helps, sorry this troll has been giving you such a hard time--you're a gentleman and scholar for handling him as you have thus in the old thread to now--where most would have dropped to his level and begun trading threats and trash talk, you have stayed true to form, carried on a legitimate course of conversation, and still managed to teach those capable of listening a thing or two. Thank you sir, I hope this a$$clown gets handed a banhammer and glass of STFU soon.

EDIT:
Ok, so I'm very likely wrong about this probably being a sockpuppet account, and the person only uses the account Valar God.
I tried googling the name with some choice bit typos--the sort of misspelled or dropped coordinating conjunctions that he consistently makes and *whistles* boy oh boy what did I dig up.
Valar's a self professed expert on:
LOTR, Orgonite, and Runescape (I'll save that gem for last).
He also appears to be from Serbia and has an extreme fixation on energy alignment, Masonic conspiracy theory, and on the Orient, although he has never been there of received any formal education into Eastern practices, cultures, or languages.
The typos and writing style are too indicative for it to be a mismatch, especially in comparison to the the runescape forum link I'll save for last.

Near as I can tell, he shared his "homemade elven machete" here--I found that thread, but it was this post on the British Blade Forums about a D3 stee knife that caught my eye:
http://www.britishblades.com/forums...-Homemade-knife-and-knife-handle-by-Valar-God
The handle is stuff called Orgonite, and a user was kind enough to post this link in re: http://www.orgonite.info/
As Winter notes in post 4 and quotes in the thread:


ooookkkkaaaayyyy, so we have someone who believes that random junk packed together in resin can harness "ethereal energy:
"http://www.orgonite.info/what-is-orgonite.html

That was about as far as that rabbit hole went--aside from one knife he made, but never describes heat treating, and a rather suspicious elven blade that looks like one of the budK pieces rehandled (also in orgonite and again without ever mentioning HTing it) that seems to be all the knives he's made.

The REAL fun was tracing all the dead end accounts--unused Knifedog and Knifenetwork accounts, an account with a server host service called KGB (most likely for Runescape), and various posts among Tolkien forums, and a membership at Diadem Forums, a forum fan page for I guess a Japanese girl group called T-ara (http://www.tiaradiadem.com/forums/index.php?showuser=16847)

The real reveal was this post over on the Runescape boards:
http://runescape.salmoneus.net/foru...-runescape/page__pid__3563391__mode__threaded
Paranoid AND delusional? Well now, we have a basket full of crazy, now don't we.
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Ed,
I promise to never make you mad.... Your Googlefu is strong. You are my new most favorite forum member. I was totally a fan after your post on Minushi in Marchard Senpai's thread on Forging Bevels from one side... Carry on!
 
Mr. God...

I see that you are commenting on being insulted by sending back the insults, but not commenting on the information I provided to your very sure and very wrong assessment of what's happening in that photo.

You say:
Valar God said:
I got no idea who wrote this article but it is obviously by someone
who has no metal work experience what so ever.

I don't know if the OP imagines HT furnace as filled with extremely hot coal
while the air inside is ice cold
so that the only heat the blade gets is that by a direct contact with coal.

Even if so, this method would be technically unachievable
because metal conducts heat
and there is no way that you can heat one side of the blade while the other
stays colder for more than a few degrees.
Not putting the hot air into the equation which could be even hotter that the coal itself,
the difference would be counted in few grades of temp. scale
but in the OP's vision it is tens or even hundreds of degrees of difference.

Have in mind that the blade is wide only a few centimeters.

And it would be impossible to achieve such a distinctive line between
the two parts of the steel.

This could be only possible with some advanced technology which would
instantly heat one half of the blade
where that effect would only last for couple of seconds
until the heat diffuses into the other half...
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To which I countered:

Picture3-3.png


Taken from "The Craft of the Japanese Sword"

What say you? That's 100℃.!! of difference and they were doing that 600 years ago.

Further, your "understanding" of the Japanese style of forge is way off. I don't know if it's a language thing to use the word "furnace" but this is more like a barbeque than a furnace. The charcoal, not coal, provides the heat and there is no super heated air as you describe.

You seem to have some reverence for Japanese smiths but don't seem to understand how they work. Take a look at this video and look at the process a little. It might help.

[youtube]pY8t48FubgQ[/youtube]

If you have issue with my methods or reasons, that's fine but you mention multiple quenches, 1000's of normalizations, holy grail and other exaggerated claims that you attribute to me which are patently false.

You claim to have the answers but never once give specifics.


Unless this thread gets deleted, the heat treatment that will be a standard in near future
without "normalization", without overheated furnace and without cracked blades
(unless because of some forging error)
will be know as "Valar God's heat treatment".
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You guys just don't get it do you?

If he didn't make the handle out of orgonite then it wouldn't glow when orcs were near and then he would never slay the dragon!

Your just a bunch of noobs!
 
Wow...just wow, Thank you very much Marchand and Ayres Senpai(s), but please, no praise--I am simply here to learn from you guys, share my work, and help when and where I can. If my googlefu or other talents can be of service, never hesitate to ask.
The real person who deserves praise is Stuart--if more people could learn to carry on as learned, cordial, and well worded arguments, then and only then would the world be a better place...not by forcing kids to learn about resin packed crap that focuses the suns rays through the dilithium unicorn reactor to ward off bad pokemon spirits.
 
This is bizarre. I learned about orgonite last night.

You guys got it all wrong though. It isn't random shit cast in resin. It's random shit and a quartz crystal cast in resin.

Thanks to all of you for making me laugh while reading this randomly inane thread. Prost!
 
Valar God said:
LOL.
If this was a better world, children would learn about orgonites in school.
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I politely disagree with much of what you say and your methods of conveying your point BUT I do agree with you on this point.

Identifying fraud is something that our educational system is clearly failing at.
 
Why do you guys even respond to foolish stuff like this,(i did not even bother to read his posts because I got the theme in a previous thread)? Please let it die on the vine instead of bumping it up to the top! (Sorry I just did that)
 
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