"the kraken" u.s. elite what you think of it?

[Esav Benyamin]

Moderation, can we get a ban for this guy until he buys a paying knifemaker membership?

He didn't come here to advertise. He came here in response to a Bladeforums thread that turned negative about his work. Unfamiliar with our style, he responded ineffectively, drawing more fire.

Easy way to stop him posting? Don't post here, and he and his fans won't either.

 

[addylo]

Wow! Reading this thread is like listening to children on a playground. I see no winners but I certainly see a lot of losers.

This is a simple KNIFE FORUM, guys. There is NOTHING on it worth getting this worked up about. If you don't like a knife then don't buy it. And bashing a vet because he feels the need to provide credentials is beneath low. You may have heard similar stories here but someone new to the site has no knowledge of what goes on here.

Get some perspective, people, and learn what "taking the high road" means.

 

[Smokinape]

I may have missed something, but nobody is bashing his credentials. He is being bashed for using them as evidence of bladesmith expertise. Its a logical fallacy when someone sites experience in one area expertise as expertise in another.

I am sure that there is transferable skills but its like claiming to be an expert in; boot design, backpacks, uniforms, mess kits or any other military equipment.

This feller may be a great designer but his argument is not based off his knives or experience making them and that raises a flag...

 

[Styg]

Wow! Reading this thread is like listening to children on a playground. I see no winners but I certainly see a lot of losers.

This is a simple KNIFE FORUM, guys. There is NOTHING on it worth getting this worked up about. If you don't like a knife then don't buy it. And bashing a vet because he feels the need to provide credentials is beneath low. You may have heard similar stories here but someone new to the site has no knowledge of what goes on here.

Get some perspective, people, and learn what "taking the high road" means.

Are you trolling?

The thread was starting by someone asking for opinions.

Reasonable opinions where then provided.

Someone got hurt feelings over various opinions and the rest of this thread happened. If there was any real or serious bashing the thread would be gone. Moderators are very active on these forums.

 

[jimmyd1982]

Are you trolling?

The thread was starting by someone asking for opinions.

Reasonable opinions where then provided.

Someone got hurt feelings over various opinions and the rest of this thread happened. If there was any real or serious bashing the thread would be gone. OnModerators are very active on these forums.

On top of that, the reasonable opinions were posted months ago. Not only was no one bashing the maker or his military service, no one was even talking about him until he sent his fanboys over. He brought this negative press on himself.

 

[leozinho]

He didn't come here to advertise. He came here in response to a Bladeforums thread that turned negative about his work. Unfamiliar with our style, he responded ineffectively, drawing more fire.

Easy way to stop him posting? Don't post here, and he and his fans won't either.

Thanks for being the voice of reason, Esav. Seems a few very vocal posters want to ban the maker when he's only here to defend his thoughts on the knife and explain who he is. (Who'd have thought those posters would be so worried about Bladeforum's revenue stream? Oh wait, they don't care. They only wanted to silence him any way they could.)

On top of that, the reasonable opinions were posted months ago. Not only was no one bashing the maker or his military service, no one was even talking about him until he sent his fanboys over. He brought this negative press on himself.

Maybe, but keep in mind that not all makers keep a close tab on this forum to see when their names are mentioned. So he didn't see the thread three months when it was started. When he did see it, he decided to post. The other arguments about his method of defending himself might be valid, but don't hold the time lapse against him. Seems kind of petty.

 

[jimmyd1982]

\Maybe, but keep in mind that not all makers keep a close tab on this forum to see when their names are mentioned. So he didn't see the thread three months when it was started. When he did see it, he decided to post. The other arguments about his method of defending himself might be valid, but don't hold the time lapse against him. Seems kind of petty.

Call it petty if you like but it was still a terrible decision on his part. Before he revived this thread and sent his fanboys over to bash us, the general consensus seemed to be that although that particular knife wasn't appealing to most of us, if the op likes it he should go for it. That is a far cry from "getting his butt beat". No one was bashing the maker or saying that the knife was garbage and wouldn't hold up, they just didn't find the design appealing. That isn't something that is likely to drive off a buyer that is interested in the knife.

However if someone does a search for the knife now they will find this thread and see how the maker and his fans have conducted themselves. That is something that is likely to turn away many potential customers.
"You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar"

 

[jonnyt16]

Wow! Reading this thread is like listening to children on a playground. I see no winners but I certainly see a lot of losers.

This is a simple KNIFE FORUM, guys. There is NOTHING on it worth getting this worked up about. If you don't like a knife then don't buy it. And bashing a vet because he feels the need to provide credentials is beneath low. You may have heard similar stories here but someone new to the site has no knowledge of what goes on here.

Get some perspective, people, and learn what "taking the high road" means.

Finally someone said what I was thinking.

 

[Quiet]

Wow! Reading this thread is like listening to children on a playground. I see no winners but I certainly see a lot of losers.

This is a simple KNIFE FORUM, guys. There is NOTHING on it worth getting this worked up about. If you don't like a knife then don't buy it. And bashing a vet because he feels the need to provide credentials is beneath low. You may have heard similar stories here but someone new to the site has no knowledge of what goes on here.

Get some perspective, people, and learn what "taking the high road" means.

Edited: No one was bashing this guy because he's a vet. We were bashing the concept that his military background makes him an expert at designing knives, or that his military background makes his knives special. There's nothing special about his knives. Sorry.

 

[straitr]

Edited: No one was bashing this guy because he's a vet. We were bashing the concept that his military background makes him an expert at designing knives, or that his military background makes his knives special. There's nothing special about his knives. Sorry.

This is a matter of taste. I don't care for his knives either, but I don't have a use for his design style, it doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I also dislike the Mark Lee Glory Knife for the same reasons, but Benchmade knows a thing or two about making knives. There are millions of knife designs out there because millions of people like or need different knives than others.

I don't fault him for trying to explain himself. To the contrary, he has been accused of stealing from members because he doesn't have a paid membership, and likened to a thief that takes from an offering plate. I mean, people need to grow up and show a little class. I agree with addylo, it's pretty disgraceful.

 

[singularity35]

Now he's getting his butt beat when it wasn't so before 1post wonders started coming out of.the woodwork.

 

[jimmyd1982]

This is a matter of taste. I don't care for his knives either, but I don't have a use for his design style, it doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I also dislike the Mark Lee Glory Knife for the same reasons, but Benchmade knows a thing or two about making knives. There are millions of knife designs out there because millions of people like or need different knives than others.

I don't fault him for trying to explain himself. To the contrary, he has been accused of stealing from members because he doesn't have a paid membership, and likened to a thief that takes from an offering plate. I mean, people need to grow up and show a little class. I agree with addylo, it's pretty disgraceful.

Go back and reread the thread. Before he sent his fanboys to spam the forum the consensus already was that if you really like the style then go ahead and buy it. If he had simply come and explained some of his design choices for the knife he would have received a much different reception. Instead he gave us a speech about what a hard charger he is and sent his cheer squad to teach the "bladeforums experts" a lesson.

Being a vet doesn't give him a free pass for behaving this way or make his work immune to being criticized. Act in a polite and professional manner and people will likely respond the same way. Attack people and expect the same in return. It's not a difficult concept.

 

[straitr]

Go back and reread the thread. Before he sent his fanboys to spam the forum the consensus already was that if you really like the style then go ahead and buy it. If he had simply come and explained some of his design choices for the knife he would have received a much different reception. Instead he gave us a speech about what a hard charger he is and sent his cheer squad to teach the "bladeforums experts" a lesson.

Being a vet doesn't give him a free pass for behaving this way or make his work immune to being criticized. Act in a polite and professional manner and people will likely respond the same way. Attack people and expect the same in return. It's not a difficult concept.

I did read the thread, and have already stated that I didn't care some of his comments and actions myself. By the same token, being members or "old dog" veterans does not give you a free pass to act as the masses have here and not be criticized for it. FYI, he didn't come here to advertise, nor did he fire the first shot, that's been established.

Nothing wrong with criticism, until it gets completely out of hand, which it did after someone took offense to him asking owners of his knife to come here and comment. Isn't that what were all here for anyway, to talk about knives? There could have been a few more contributing people from that bunch stay around, maybe a paid membership or two, for those so concerned with BF's revenue. So he used the wrong words, he was not "getting his butt kicked" over here, at the moment, big deal. So much pride.

I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me, that's ok, it can stop there and the world will not blow up. I don't know the guy, I'm not here to jump on a grenade for him, just posting my opinion, same as you.

 

[jimmyd1982]

I did read the thread, and have already stated that I didn't care some of his comments and actions myself. By the same token, being members or "old dog" veterans does not give you a free pass to act as the masses have here and not be criticized for it. FYI, he didn't come here to advertise, nor did he fire the first shot, that's been established.

He absolutely fired the first shot. You think the way his cheer squad acted isn't exactly what he was shooting for when he said, "I'm getting my butt beat on Blade Forums by a few "Experts" that have never handled one of my knives." All anyone said was the knife didn't appeal to them and there are similar alternatives for less money. No one was attacking the man. Riling up his fanboy army to troll this site was uncalled for and is the reason he is receiving such a negative response.

 

[cncpro11]

Gentlemen please,.....

So with that being said, let me close by saying "Can't we all just get along?" Better yet, come by both #(deleted) at the Blade Show this June in Atlanta. Get to know me and my blades. You just might buy one

Not too many here like it when guys try to end-around the rules and get free advertising for themselves.
It most definitely leaves a bad taste in the mouth, and absolutely turns me off to any interest I may have had in your product.

I guess what I am trying to say is that someone with so many years of military service (thank you by the way) should know a thing or two about integrity.

Back on topic, I have owned a few knives with those scalloped looking scales and I am not a fan. Nearly instant hot spots.
Not sure what the intended use of the blade is, but it looks like it would be very good at smashing and breaking stuff, as long as you wear gloves of course.

 

[straitr]

He absolutely fired the first shot. You think the way his cheer squad acted isn't exactly what he was shooting for when he said, "I'm getting my butt beat on Blade Forums by a few "Experts" that have never handled one of my knives." All anyone said was the knife didn't appeal to them and there are similar alternatives for less money. No one was attacking the man. Riling up his fanboy army to troll this site was uncalled for and is the reason he is receiving such a negative response.

And you're merely continuing to prove my point.

 

[Quiet]

I did read the thread, and have already stated that I didn't care some of his comments and actions myself. By the same token, being members or "old dog" veterans does not give you a free pass to act as the masses have here and not be criticized for it. FYI, he didn't come here to advertise, nor did he fire the first shot, that's been established.

Nothing wrong with criticism, until it gets completely out of hand, which it did after someone took offense to him asking owners of his knife to come here and comment. Isn't that what were all here for anyway, to talk about knives? There could have been a few more contributing people from that bunch stay around, maybe a paid membership or two, for those so concerned with BF's revenue. So he used the wrong words, he was not "getting his butt kicked" over here, at the moment, big deal. So much pride.

I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me, that's ok, it can stop there and the world will not blow up. I don't know the guy, I'm not here to jump on a grenade for him, just posting my opinion, same as you.

I don't like the way you're addressing me, so I'm going to call ten or fifteen friends to come in and defend me. I mean, it's a knife forum, right? That's what we're all here for, right? I'm going to have my friends come in to defend my position that these knives aren't anything special. That's cool, right?

"So much pride"...oh, the irony.

 

[Quiet]

This is a matter of taste. I don't care for his knives either, but I don't have a use for his design style, it doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I also dislike the Mark Lee Glory Knife for the same reasons, but Benchmade knows a thing or two about making knives. There are millions of knife designs out there because millions of people like or need different knives than others.

I don't fault him for trying to explain himself. To the contrary, he has been accused of stealing from members because he doesn't have a paid membership, and likened to a thief that takes from an offering plate. I mean, people need to grow up and show a little class. I agree with addylo, it's pretty disgraceful.

You know, I'm about over this idea that people who claim military past experience are somehow above reproach, or that it's somehow "disgraceful" to criticize them in any way. It's becoming ridiculous at this point. I'm all for appreciating those who've served, and in fact, work with the Military every day as part of my job. But I see this all the time on the internet. A veteran shows his ass, gets called out, and then suddenly people like you (and Addylo) come in with all of this "JUST A DISGRACE! HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO A VET THAT WAY!" and "I'm just so disgusted, how disgraceful!" Get the eff over it. Past honorable military service doesn't give people a free pass to say whatever they want and not get called on it.

 

[Morrow]

We've gone beyond discussing the knives so it's time to close this one.