The learning curve

[mendezj]

Done. Just wrote to CR about the D2 Sebenza. Let’s see what they say. If they don’t answer, I’ll call them.

 

[91bravo]

Done. Just wrote to CR about the D2 Sebenza. Let’s see what they say. If they don’t answer, I’ll call them.

My guess is, they're gonna tell ya that they never made a Sebenza in D2. Now cloners make Sebenzas in D2 all day long!

 

[mendezj]

From a thread here at BF. From my iPad I can’t paste the link.
“Here is the Chris Reeve History Timeline I promised I would post. Anne Reeve sent this to me about year ago as I was inquiring about the many models of One-Piece Knives. This Timeline gives you the KNIFE DESCRIPTION; YEAR INTRODUCED; YEAR DISCONTINUED. This List has been invaluable to me in acquiring my Chris Reeve Knife Collection. You have the Many One-Piece Knives, Sebenzas, etc. I ask that this be made a Sticky as the Info will be Very Helpful To All for Years To Come.:”

2009

"When Chris first started making the One Piece knives, they were all from D2. It was in February of 1987 that he changed to A2. Since then, we have made a very few out of D2 but that was because we could not get A2. Regrettably no records of how many, which or when!"

H Sebenza: 1989

I’ll post CR’s response when I get it.

 

[Planterz]

How much did this supposed D2 Sebenza cost and from where was it purchased?

 

[JAB]

From a thread here at BF. From my iPad I can’t paste the link.
“Here is the Chris Reeve History Timeline I promised I would post. Anne Reeve sent this to me about year ago as I was inquiring about the many models of One-Piece Knives. This Timeline gives you the KNIFE DESCRIPTION; YEAR INTRODUCED; YEAR DISCONTINUED. This List has been invaluable to me in acquiring my Chris Reeve Knife Collection. You have the Many One-Piece Knives, Sebenzas, etc. I ask that this be made a Sticky as the Info will be Very Helpful To All for Years To Come.:”

2009

"When Chris first started making the One Piece knives, they were all from D2. It was in February of 1987 that he changed to A2. Since then, we have made a very few out of D2 but that was because we could not get A2. Regrettably no records of how many, which or when!"

H Sebenza: 1989

I’ll post CR’s response when I get it.

That quote is in reference to the One-Piece Range of fixed blade knives not the Sebenza. IIRC the first “H” & “P” Sebenzas were all in ATS-34

 

[mendezj]

That quote is in reference to the One-Piece Range of fixed blade knives not the Sebenza. IIRC the first “H” & “P” Sebenzas were all in ATS-34

Yes, of course you’re right. However, it seemed interesting to know that CR used D2 at one point, although the quote refers to one-piece knives. That said, I’m pursuing this matter as I sent the knife back to CRK after the pivot rusted some with saltwater and it was returned to me as new. Which is when I was told the blade was made of D2 steel. Of course, I always allow for the possibility to be wrong so I’ve written CRK and I’m consulting with others. Thank you.

 

[Planterz]

Yes, of course you’re right. However, it seemed interesting to know that CR used D2 at one point, although the quote refers to one-piece knives. That said, I’m pursuing this matter as I sent the knife back to CRK after the pivot rusted some with saltwater and it was returned to me as new. Which is when I was told the blade was made of D2 steel. Of course, I always allow for the possibility to be wrong so I’ve written CRK and I’m consulting with others. Thank you.

Repeating my question, how much did your "D2" Sebenza cost and from where did you purchase it? I ask because if you bought it off eBay and it cost significantly less than $400 or so, then it's a fake, although I'd be surprised at that because CRK probably would have said something and wouldn't have fixed it.

They did once upon a time use BG42 steel. Maybe this was the case and time is just playing tricks on your memory?

 

[Ajack60]

Yes, of course you’re right. However, it seemed interesting to know that CR used D2 at one point, although the quote refers to one-piece knives. That said, I’m pursuing this matter as I sent the knife back to CRK after the pivot rusted some with saltwater and it was returned to me as new. Which is when I was told the blade was made of D2 steel. Of course, I always allow for the possibility to be wrong so I’ve written CRK and I’m consulting with others. Thank you.

I've seen pics of BG-42 having rust spots around the pivot area. I'd guess it was BG-42 and not D2

 

[mendezj]

Repeating my question, how much did your "D2" Sebenza cost and from where did you purchase it? I ask because if you bought it off eBay and it cost significantly less than $400 or so, then it's a fake, although I'd be surprised at that because CRK probably would have said something and wouldn't have fixed it.

They did once upon a time use BG42 steel. Maybe this was the case and time is just playing tricks on your memory?

Yes, indeed, it may well be a case of icrs*. I will pursue an answer from CRK nevertheless and post their response. I bought the knife new very possibly from Nordic knives as I’ve been buying knives from then for a very long time. Dave at Nordic is a gentleman and a perfectly honest man. I don’t remember how much I paid for it. I tend to forget how much I pay for knives as a matter of self preservation.

*icrs syndrome = I can’t remember shit

 

[mendezj]

C

I've seen pics of BG-42 having rust spots around the pivot area. I'd guess it was BG-42 and not D2

It could very well be. I’m often wrong, I got plenty going on in my life. However, this is one of those cases when I think to remember correctly. But rest assured I’ll get it straight. Thank you.

 

[mendezj]

From the Chris Reeve Forum here. Additional info on that forum. Yes, my knife has a blade of D2 steel. I still will post the response from CRK. Yes, we are all mistaken at one point or another. But this time I wasn’t mistaken. Thank you.

From loon#r:

“Ehhhhh, I *feel like a D2 Chris Reeve “folder(s)” did in fact exist, but we’re talking about THE FOUR LEAF CLOVER of 4-leaf clovers. If you had a D2 Chris Reeve folder shame on you for using it thus.

a D2 Reeve folder did exist decades ago (not my pic - maybe St. James) - summoning the last remaining CRK oracles @Lone_Wolfe Ajack60 @bhyde @nyefmaker and I guess @nickpp View attachment 1383573@Ajack60 @bhyde @nyefmaker and I guess @nickpp ”

 

[JAB]

If your take from that one post is that you’ve been vindicated then more power to you.

If I’m wrong and you did in fact unknowingly take an even at that time rarest of the rare pre-Sebenza Chris Reeve custom folder in D2 for a dip in the ocean then let it sit overnight then I’ll publicly and humbly apologize right here but this whole thing just doesn’t pass the smell test.

 

[DocJD]

I’ve been buying and using knives for decades. Where I live knives are a must. Fishing and hunting on a regular basis require good knives. I own hundreds of knives, I’ve made the pilgrimage to the Atlanta show several times. But one never stops learning. Or I should say, one never stops making mistakes.

I’m rather new to “modern” knives, though. I’ve already posted about some of my recent purchases. So the spirit of this post is to maybe make others feel a bit better about their disappointments when buying knives that you cannot fondle first.

Hinderer knives are NOT for me. It’s almost a fateful thing. First I bought an XM-18, 3.5”, impressively well built but with a Spanto blade which might be good for puncturing cans but not great for cutting. I tried to talk to the Hinderer people about but never received a response. They don’t answer the phone either.

So I find a Jurassic with a “slicer” blade and the picture in some monkey site shows the knife with the lanyard option ($60 by itself), and I buy it. The knife arrives without the lanyard extra. I write. I get the send-it-back-we’ll-return-your-money response. I write the personal email of someone at Hinderer that someone here kindly provided. Finally a response, deal with the monkey site. Sorry. I decide to keep the knife.

Then I find the lanyard option at another site. I ask: is the part compatible for the Jurassic? Yes, it is. There go $60 additional. I receive the part. It doesn’t fit the Jurassic. It doesn’t fit the XM-18 either unless I buy an additional part. I WILL NEVER AGAIN BUY ANYTHING HINDERER. Lesson learned. Live and learn. No biggie.

Spartan. I want a somewhat rugged field knife. Some knife merchant suggests Spartan. I buy a Horkos. Immediate regret. The handle is SO small that it makes the knife dangerous to use. The scales are super small and very poorly finished. I haven’t tried the blade but it looks like a slab of steel not necessarily well finished with two tiny slabs added. The sheath is a generic cheap job, even though they sent me an additional one. Thank you for so much. But another lesson learned. I WILL NEVER BUY A SPARTAN KNIFE AGAIN. Live and learn. No biggie.

OP , I'm curious as to whatever POSITIVE things you might have learned ?

Did you ever find a brand or even one knife you actually enjoyed and would buy again ?

 

[mendezj]

OP , I'm curious as to whatever POSITIVE things you might have learned ?

Did you ever find a brand or even one knife you actually enjoyed and would buy again ?

Well, lately I’ve also bought a few Microtech knives which have resulted as great as ever, but I’ve been familiar with Microtech for a long time. The LUDT is a great knife. The Socom Elite -not auto- is also a solid knife with a significant blade, and a relatively good cutter for the thickness of the blade. The small fixed blade Socom carries well. If there is a learning here is to stick with what you know. But obviously one tries new things which might work or not -the point of the OP.

When buying the Horkos knife I also bought a CR Pacific. I already had a Green Beret and the Pacific is very similar, except for the guard which I like better on the Pacific. Great grip, contrary to the Horkos, and great edge. Again, no surprises with CRK.

 

[Norcaldude]

Seems to me that the thing we all learned here is that when you have so much money that you can buy whatever high end knife you want, learning from your mistakes is optional.

 

[mendezj]

Envy

Seems to me that the thing we all learned here is that when you have so much money that you can buy whatever high end knife you want, learning from your mistakes is optional.

Envy?

 

[Norcaldude]

Envy?

Hardly, son.

 

[Danke42]

Just can't buy that dang Hinderer Juju bead lucky charm for love or money.

What a world.

 

[Hackenslash]

I've learned from this thread that people develop a preference or abhorrence for a given knife company due to how that company has made them feel and not how the knife actually performed.

I guess that's the nature of the human beast. The real learning curve is to know thyself.

mendezj , this isn't the first time you've shared your Hinderer story. I guess you've made your point. You don't like them because of a bad experience with a vendor. Nothing at all to do with their qualities as a knife-like tool. Your vendor, extrapolated to the manufacturer, made you feel bad and as a result, you don't like the brand.

Similar with Spartan; it just didn't work in your hand. That unfortunately happens but has no bearing on it being a good knife or not.

This isn't really a knife discussion any longer, this is more of a GB&U topic...or a new sub-forum called "Those darned humans and their feels!"

 

[mendezj]

I've learned from this thread that people develop a preference or abhorrence for a given knife company due to how that company has made them feel and not how the knife actually performed.

I guess that's the nature of the human beast. The real learning curve is to know thyself.

mendezj , this isn't the first time you've shared your Hinderer story. I guess you've made your point. You don't like them because of a bad experience with a vendor. Nothing at all to do with their qualities as a knife-like tool. Your vendor, extrapolated to the manufacturer, made you feel bad and as a result, you don't like the brand.

Similar with Spartan; it just didn't work in your hand. That unfortunately happens but has no bearing on it being a good knife or not.

This isn't really a knife discussion any longer, this is more of a GB&U topic...or a new sub-forum called "Those darned humans and their feels!"

This is my last response to this sort of pompous and bitter posts.

Before indulging in ontological flatulence, please read my post regarding Hinderer. I mean, read in the sense of reading comprehension. I’ve qualified Hinderer knives as built like a “Sherman tank”, which means a robust construction. I’ve also made reference to the quality (high) of the steel they use for their blades, adding that the design of the blade is not optimal for slicing but probably strong enough to pierce a 55 gallon tank. Etc.

But I’ve also made anecdotal reference to my experience while dealing with them (no response) and with their retailers (two of them, one good, one bad). It’s all part of a general knife discussion.

What I don’t get is the level of animosity and ill manners of so many regulars here. It is as if they use the forum to vent their existential frustrations. Maybe there should be “The Sour Forum”. I have as a rule to treat people I don’t know, in virtual corners like this, the same as if I had them in front of me: respectfully. But I do notice, though, that many others wouldn’t be able to keep all their teeth in place if they behaved in the streets the way they treat others here. But I guess that’s what these types of virtual places are all about..., to a great extent.

Now, tough guys, you can talk to the hand.