the lock fetish

In the last year or so I've reserved my locking folders for campsite and outdoor use, and even then the slipjoin Vic Pioneer handles most of those tasks just fine. Yet, I perceive an anti-slipjoint bias among some folder carriers that baffles me. The lock seems to have become something of a lock for the sake of having a lock, with all the variations and tricky new designs of lock that companies will invent to market their knives. .

I belive what you are seeing is the result of a couple of generations of boys growing up with absolutly no knowledge of knives at all except for what they read in the magazines. When Buck came out with the 110 in 1964, it changed everthing in the knife world. I'm not sure for the better. With the Buck and all it's knockoff clones ruling the knife market for the 60's and all the 70's, and the birth of the tactical knife thing in the 80's with Cold steel, the buyer dynamics changed drastically. For the new buyer market, young males under 25 and first time knife buyers, the cool factor was it. The 'cooler' a knife could be made, the better it sold. This was the beginging of the high speed operator market. Out with the old and in with the new.

Now in 2013, we have young men who's fathers never carried a traditional pocket knife. The slip joint is seen as a throw back and unsafe to use. Maybe one young guy gets one as a kid, nobody teaches him how to use it, so he ends up cutting himself really good, and blames the tool instead of admitting to a stupid mistake on his part. The tool is then forever branded as an unsafe thing. Never mind that for hundreds of years it was the go-to cutting tool for men climbing rigging of sailing ships, a freight wagon driver hauling goods, farmers, cowboys, miners, and train workers. It's part of the modern thing to not take any personal responsibility, so the tool is blamed for injuries. Now the knife with a locking blade is a step toward idiot proofing the thing. At a BBQ, I used a sodbuster, and I loaned it to a young lady to slice some of the bread, and her boyfriend told her not to use that knife because it was dangerous. He then handed her his black tactical thing, saying there was a reason that 'those' knives were not even made anymore, meaning my sodbuster, because they fold up on fingers with no warning. I looked at him very carefully, but he was being serious and actually believed what he was spouting. I corrected him, and told him that there was a strong market for traditional knives among people who actually knew what they were doing with a knife. I don't think he believed me.

These days, there is a perception that a knife without a lock on the blade is an accident waiting to happen. And in the wrong hands, it is. But in my life, I have seen two very very bad accidents with a lock blade knife. One, a young man was doing very stupid things and when warned, he just said "It's a Buck knife, no problem." Just after lunch he managed to amputate his right index finger at the first joint. A few years back I needed an operation on my left hand for a tendon problem. I was at the hand center of the Carroll Country Hospital, waiting to be brought back to the OR for the out patient surgery, and sitting with us in the waiting room was a young man with his mother. The guys hand was bandaged up, and in conversation it came out he was severely injured when a lock on a blade gave way, and he was there for an operation on a severed ligament to get his digit operating again, hopefully. Like the Buck knife user, he had been confident in his safety because his fancy back knife had a lock. Lessons in reality can be painful.

But both of these young men were carrying a knife that was supposed to be 'safe' because it had a lock on the blade. But neither of them in their young life had learned good knife handling techniques. The technology failed in the face of stupid behavior. Knives that fold, can fold at any time due to mechanical failure of a part, or gross misuse of the tool. Too many people put too much faith in technology keeping them safe. All the seat belts and air bags won't save you if you insist on driving like a fool, so why should a knife lock be different? I'd rather carry a knife with no lock and be conscious of the fact, than carry a locker and get over confident. If my slip joint pocketknife is not adequate for the job, then it's time for a sheath knife. What you young folks call a fixed blade, although it's not broken and I don't know what's been fixed. Fixed blades come in all sizes, from nice little pocket puuko's to sturdy belt knives. If you're worried about a blade folding on you, then don't carry one that's already meant to fold.

Becoming a knife nut at a relative late age, I made it through the first 40 or so years with a Buck 301 in a pocket. If that was not enough, then I had a Buck 102 that went on my belt. I was probably the only person in the world who looked at the 110 and wondered why I would need a boat anchor that had a blade in it. The stockman did darn near everything, and if it didn't, then I had a sheath knife. Now I carry a peanut and a 102 woodsman. So far so good.

Carl.
 
All the seat belts and air bags won't save you if you insist on driving like a fool, so why should a knife lock be different?

Good analogy Carl, and a great post :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
There is, of course, a place for both. I'm more curious as to whether the marketing of so many locking knives as the latest and greatest has led to some to a skewed view of slips as "unsafe".

i speculate that suburban life has led some to a skewed view that any sort of knife is unsafe.
 
Thanks for that thoughtful response, Carl. I think the point about a generation not being taught to use the tools properly is a great point. My father taught me how to use slip joints when I was a kid and so I never really thought of them as accidents waiting to happen. Rather, he taught me that every tool has a purpose and to use it improperly is to ask for trouble.
 
I very rarely use my locking knives..For some strange reason it feels like im (CHEATING???????)...If i need more safety than my slippys, i use a fixed blade.. FES
 
Doesn't mean they don't have a knowledge of knives just because they carry a locking knife.
I like slip joints, locking knives, and fixed blades.


I like a clipped knife in my right pocket, and most all knives with a clip has a lock. Thats one reason I carry a modern locking knife in my right pocket, and a traditional in my left(or in my coin/watch pocket).
I've also had thumb surgery that didn't help, and now like a knife with less pull to open. I've had a couple of Custom slip joints made with a lighter pull, and also have a few Case Copperlocks that I often carry.
 
I don't really see the need for a lock from a safety perspective. I simply view the lock as being part of the knife design, a sort of pattern feature. Some knives just look/feel/maybe even work better with a lock.

I think for most non-knife folks the draw of a locking knife is the flexibility it gives you, sometimes you don't know what to expect and you can't always prepare for the worst so having a locking knife can be a good compromise. A locking knife might not be the best slicer and it certainly not as safe as a straight knife (fixed blade), but when it comes down to it, most people are only going to carry a single knife and the locking mechanism can be seen as a good compromise. So it might not be the BEST tool for the job, but it can do a wider variety of tasks, it's kind of bridging the gap between folding and straight knife.

Someone might have a need for a very nice thin bladed slip joint in their day to day life, someone else might be carrying a machete every day, and yet there might be another person who prefers a locking knife because they have a mix of tasks that they feel is better suited to using a locking knife. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and everyone has their preference.
 
As far as I know, locking blades are a no-no in Great Brittain. Could some of the members from thereabouts comment on why they dont allow them?
 
Interessting points and most of them are true.

Knives are tools. And there are several types of them in general (locking knives, slippies, fixed blades, friction folder and some others).

When I need to cut with a knife I gonna use it with big care always reminding working with a sharp tool. No matter what to cut. A chainsaw is a sharp tool, too. And I don´t use it without care. So the safety aspect is no real feature for me. Some of my knives have locks, and some don´t. I like them both. The lock is nice feature, but not a "Hit or Miss" for me...

On that point, I don´t have a preference in one or the other.

About the point of "not-traditional" - I think the Mercator K55K is one of the most traditional knives all around the world.

Just my 2 Cent.
 
My opinion is that if you really need one-handed opening or a lock, you should be using a fixed blade. That's why I always carry a fixed blade when I legally can. When I can't, I do carry a locking folder (in addition to my slipjoint) that I can open with one hand.

What I see as the advantage of modern locking systems is that they remove the backspring and make the knife easier to flick open. But then, I just flick knives open fun entertainment value, and deployment speed doesn't really make a difference for me day to day.
 
I think knives are meant to cut, not dig, pry, scrape, twist, or anything else. I have knives with all sorts of locks and I have a handful of slipjoints. I was told in Boy Scouts to treat any folding knife as if it didn't have a lock, so that's what I try to keep in mind. I think most people are so used to locks on knives that they think a knife without a lock is unsafe, when that's probably not the case. Around here Swiss Army Knives are fairly popular, and you see some guys with a small traditional jack or stockman, but the majority seem to have some kind of tactical knife. When I show them a slipjoint they say it's like what their dad or grandpa carry or carried. I think the other issue is that people are using knives for play rather than work.
 
As far as I know, locking blades are a no-no in Great Brittain.
Could some of the members from thereabouts comment on why they dont allow them?

I'm not from there, but a blade over 3", and locking knives are illegal from what I understand.
I think they consider larger locking knives a weapon.
I doubt anyone from over there could say much more about it without it going political.
 
As far as I know, locking blades are a no-no in Great Brittain. Could some of the members from thereabouts comment on why they dont allow them?

Because there is case law that a locking knife is a fixed blade in disguise, and thus illegal under existing law.
 
There is nothing inherently wrong with slippies or lockbacks, I own several in addition to a few opinels and mercator k55ks, but I generally reach for a modern knife on the way out the door, I like the convenience when working, and I like that certain locks let you close the knife without moving your fingers into the path of the blade, but those reasons aside I just enjoy them, which is all the justification I need.
 
Because there is case law that a locking knife is a fixed blade in disguise, and thus illegal under existing law.

Sad, but true. Though, you can carry a locking knife or fixed blade if you feel able to justify it (because you're camping, going hunting, use it as part of your job, etc). You may have to make that justification in court though.
 
I have a question regarding locking mechanisms, and those that are allowed for discussion here. I have an old Schrade trapper-style folding knife from 1978 with brown jigged bone handles and nickel silver bolsters, that looks as traditional as can be. It has a backspring like any other traditional knife and a nail-nick for opening, but also has a linerlock to prevent closing, which is a bronze tab that protrudes up slightly near the blade pivot.

I have on order a Case Copperlock which is a traditional-style knife with a lockback mechanism. I also have an old Buck 110 with the lockback. So from my understanding, the Schrade is not a suitable topic for discussion because of the linerlock, but the Case and Buck lockbacks are?

Just wanting some clarification, not complaining.

As to the original topic, I have had a slipjoint knife try to close on me when using the tip for things like trying to ream out a hole or something else like that where you are using the tip more and pressing. Some people also report that spearpoint knives are more prone to trying to close when you are trying to push through something (like really thick cardboard) due to the blade shape.

Personally I like a good liner lock in a traditional knife, such as the Case Trapperlock, but I don't like their addition of thumbstuds to it. If my old Schrade weren't in such bad condition it would be more of a carrier for me.

Sorry if I touched on illegal topics. :confused:

For reference, my Schrade looks just like the one in this post with the "Little Bandit" on the blade, but mine does not have the embellishment, just a plain blade. It's got Parker-Frost on the shield but Schrade on the blade itself. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...chrade-USA-Parker-Frost-Preferred-Series-1978
 
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From what I understand linerlocks and lockbacks are both welcome topics here in the traditional forum.

The reason some linerlock and lockback knives are frowned upon here is that some of them tend to have a thumbstud for opening. The thumbstud is what makes it non-traditional (that is the reason you don't see any trapperlocks around these parts)
 
Thumbholes/thumbstuds and linerlocks are not traditional. Your Schrade trapper, with delrin scales, carbon steel blade and a linerlock, are okay to discuss.

Michael Walker did not invent the linerlock, the linerlock is not a new invention made just for OHO's, it was a refinement of the locking mechanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Linerlock

Liner lock knives have been around since the late 19th century. The Cattaraugus liner locking patent, 825,093 was issued on July 3, 1906. After 1923 when the patent expired, it was used by other manufacturers such as in the common military and lineman's issue two-blade electrician’s knife; the Camillus TL-29 for the locking screwdriver-stripper blade, until 2007 when the Camillus Cutlery Company went out of business.
 
Thumbholes/thumbstuds and linerlocks are not traditional. Your Schrade trapper, with delrin scales, carbon steel blade and a linerlock, are okay to discuss.

Michael Walker did not invent the linerlock, the linerlock is not a new invention made just for OHO's, it was a refinement of the locking mechanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Linerlock

Well...not completely true. I have seen old Case knives with little thumb studs on them
 
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