The lowly P38

What do you do for the 51 dawsonbob to make it a good striker? I assume maybe cut some notches in the side with a file or something to give it some teeth and roughen it up a little? My 38's have developed a nice patina (more carbon I assume), whereas the 51 stays pretty bright (more of a stainless I assume).
 
What do you do for the 51 dawsonbob to make it a good striker? I assume maybe cut some notches in the side with a file or something to give it some teeth and roughen it up a little? My 38's have developed a nice patina (more carbon I assume), whereas the 51 stays pretty bright (more of a stainless I assume).

All I've done is to sharpen (square up) the long side of it. Because it's so small, it takes a little caution not to burn your fingers, but it works very well. It's really just kind of a back-up for me. My favorite striker is the back of my Silky saw.
 
i dropped a small paperclip, bent slightly to hold it in place, in my P38 over a year ago. Keeps the sharp edge tight to the main body and doesn;t flop around. Has stayed in place on my edc keychain without issue. i use other P38, just keep this one on keychain for just-in-case. the paperclip also has possible emergency uses.
 
Best tool ever invented. EVeeerrr! For it simplicity and general utility combined with it's ultra low cost I simply don't think it can be beat. I can open a can almost as fast as a more fancy and costlier manual or even electric. I can't pull the lid off with a magnetic holder though but who cares.
It also doesn't use any electricity so, I'm ALSooo doing my part to save the environment:D
 
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Got 'em on all my keychains and in all my kits. A mega-classic. :thumbup:

Jeff
 
Always had one and I still by them buy the dozen and give them away, I have four of them right here at my work bench.

You all are in good company.

By Writer and Author Don Lancaster expresses his interest in the P-38 as one of the greatest inventions of all time in his article, Elegant Simplicity.

One of the goals I have consistently sought out over the years is to develop designs and products which inherently possess an elegant simplicity. Like many truly great concepts, elegant simplicity can be hard to pin down. But you sure know it when you've got it.
One clue is when industry insiders end up shaking their heads in stunned disbelief.
Elegant simplicity combines the best of Schumacher's "do more with less" and Buckminster Fuller's "appropriate technology". Yeah, Whole Earth Catalog stuff. It goes way on back to that ancient Ockham's Razor principle of the most fundamentally direct explanation often ending up the most correct. Or Einstein's "Always seek out the simplest possible solution - but none simpler".
Probably the best way we can get a handle on elegant simplicity is to look at several products and designs that clearly have it. Here are my selections for a few of the all time winners . . .

I consider the P-38 can opener to be by far the finest invention of the twentieth century. Bar none. Compared to the P-38, such utter frivolities as radio, television, autos, or aviation are not even in the same league. Yes, even Hostess Twinkies pale by comparison.
For sheer bang for the buck and inherent ergonomics, nothing can remotely compare. The P-38 opens cans. Any classic tin can, any time, any place. It runs forever. No batteries required. Fully portable. Self-protecting. Cost is zilch. No users manuals or tutorials.
Let's see what we got here. Two tiny pieces of stamped steel. One is grooved for extra strength. The blade folds flat for storage or pops open for use. The first time you see one, you will swear that it couldn't possibly work. But it sure does. The secret is "walking" around the folded rim present on all classic cans. Your thumb and forefinger form a double lever that pivots on the rim. With a surprising amount of force magnification. Probably many tons of pressure per square inch at the blade edge.
The elegant simplicity here is profound: ultra low cost and very small size. Perfectly matched to both the user and the job to be done. Use of the absolute minimum of force concentration to reliably carry out one well defined task. While a throwaway item intended for one time use, these last forever. A classic in every sense of the word.
 
I've never warmed up to the P38. Just not very much functionality for me.

Ditto,

I dont get it. I own some but never EDC them. I threw them out by the dozens from the old c-rats.

Its nothing a SAK cant take care of and with more utility.

Skam
 
Ditto,

I dont get it. I own some but never EDC them. I threw them out by the dozens from the old c-rats.

Its nothing a SAK cant take care of and with more utility.

Skam

The fact that the SAK can do the job as well as the P-38 isn't the point for many people. Not everyone carries a SAK with them at all times. Yes, a SAK is more versatile, and perhaps easier to use for many people, but the P-38 is simply so elegant in its simplicity, size and usefulness, that it is an EDC for many of us. It's not that the SAK won't open a can — it will — but it's larger and more unwieldy. The P-38 (or P-51) is just so very useful for such a small, cheap implement, that I, for one, can't imagine being without it.

No, it's not my main tool for many tasks. I have a number of things on my key ring (which must weigh 40 pounds, at this point) that are useful but, perhaps out of habit alone, the P-38 (actually P-51 in my case, but let's not split hairs) is one that I find myself using time after time. Why? Dunnknow. Perhaps, as I said, it's simply habit. I certainly have nothing against SAK's, I just tend to pull out the P-38 more often than not.

It's one of those things you just don't think about: it's simply automatic. It just works so darned well for being such a simple thing. Love it.
 
There's two factors going on with the P38-

There's simple utility- aside from the 101 uses people find for it (and it takes practice for a few weeks to think of it being there- like anything, once you get used to grabbing it you value it more)- combined with the light weight, durability, and elegant design.

Doesn't mean everyone will love it, but the majority of people who experience them (especially with 10 minutes of mentoring) keep them around.

But there's another side to them- a mystique that makes them worth a bit more in some ways. I can't explain it better than the following, so I'll just post this:

Here's an excerpt of an article- a letter by "digger" sent to georgia outfitters.

"After college and a degree in philosophy I enlisted in the U.S. Air Force on 2 July 1976, looking for something that college could not provide—direction. I quickly adapted to the discipline offered by the military and the growing fraternal bond that military members experience. After our third week we were marched off to the M-16 firing range for two days of dry- and live-fire training. Our mid-day meals were c-rations which proved to be my life-long love affair with scrambled eggs and ham (I’m not kidding…I really liked them…couldn’t stand the beef stew though). Included in the case were a number of little packages bearing can openers that I personally thought were somewhat cleverly developed tools. It was very interesting watching guys investigate these little contraptions. While eating we were joined by a couple of civil service engineering guys working on the range infrastructure who later explained had been in Vietnam in the early 70s. They (and the TI) showed us how to use them. One of them named Steve picked up the P-38 next to my boot and said this was the most practical thing the U.S. government had ever produced because it was made exclusively for the GI as a personal item to be carried through all sorts of circumstances. He handed it to me and said “Put this on your dog tag chain and keep it there. It’ll survive a nuclear blast.” He then showed me his key ring and the two he kept from Vietnam . He said “This will be a constant reminder of where you’ve been and your time in the military.” Like some mentioned on your website, he used his to adjust the carburetor on his vintage GTO.

I took Steve’s advice and kept it on my dog tag chain. It went with me to security police air base ground defense training, my first duty station at Pease AFB, heavy weapons training at Camp Bullis and Fort Hood , my remote tour in Korea , the somewhat quiet 80s, the Gulf War, Balkans, and all the peaceful times in-between. During the peaceful periods it was with me on my key ring. The P38 now graces my silver necklace given to me by my family in the mid-90s.

Along with my wedding band, my U.S. Shelby Co (with the little arrow thingy) P-38 is my most treasured piece of jewelry. I wear it permanently on a silver chain my wonderful wife and children presented me over 15 years ago. But why is it treasured? I’ll try to explain.

Military folks have a special bond. We may be different in terms of personality types, genders, ethnic backgrounds, and so on, but we all served. And we served for reasons beyond ourselves. That’s what makes military folks so special. This little non-descript item called a P-38 is that little, personal item that was considered one of life’s little luxuries that, in many regards, provides us with a sense of identification when the world wanted to identify us by our skin color or religion. It’s similar to the dog tags, but it goes beyond the “meaning” of a dog tag. It is almost a fraternal symbol of sorts, one that is instantly identifiable by veterans that used them. My Shelby Co. P-38 also reminds me, every day, of my service, and I cherish it along with the flak vest my mortar team signed while in Korea . Unlike jewelry (and the current infatuation with “bling”), jewelry calls attention to itself as a validation of “self.” A P-38, in its non-descript form, is recognizable by those that served beyond “self.” I suppose our P-38s are more than symbols of a time gone by. Our P-38s remind us of us. I have had several people ask me why I wear a silly little piece of stainless steel on my silver chain. More than once I have tried to explain, and have even grown a bit quizzical myself as I try to explain. More often than not, I stop, smile, and say, “Well, if you have to ask, you really wouldn’t understand. It’s a bit silly, but you can’t really appreciate how special it is until you’ve used one under adverse circumstances.” It’s not that we’re trying to be exclusive, but a civilian has a difficult time understanding what some of these little mementoes mean because they simply do not have provenance (context) with a specific event/place. Civilians (except for our awesome police, firefighter, and government peacekeeping corps—FBI, homeland security, etc.) rarely have to deal with dire circumstances that deal with the management, delivery, or receipt of deadly force. However, when a fellow vet from the 1940s to late 1980s views it, the conversation usually starts with “Man, I used mine to do (you fill in the blanks because the stories are as varied as they are interesting)”. They then usually end the conversation with “Man, I wish I’d kept mine. It was one thing in this world Uncle Sugar game me that meant something to me.” However, another phenomenon occurs, a phenomenon that seems to occur with military folks. They usually connect the P-38 in context with other people and events under somewhat dire circumstances. Again, it’s hard to describe, but the P-38 (like the C-Rat spoon) my not just be the best thing the U.S. Government provided us, it may very well be the very best part of us who, as generations of citizen soldiers, have a small battle-scarred memento that reminds us of the days of our selfless service, adventure, and friends who departed defending their buddies and country. One can’t really carry around a Jeep or a grenade. But one can carry their P-38 (and their C-Rat spoon). In museological terms, the time-place empathy theory really abounds here because the P-38 is an artifact with context and personal context at that. Just watch/listen to any vet when they view the P-38. Complaints of how much they hated C-Rats will probably be the first comment, but they identify with the P-38. Again, social scientists and psychologists will have a difficult time with developing a theory. That’s because the P-38 represents the best of us all—our humanity and soldierhood."

For people not in the military, it can be symbolic of a relative, or even the old american ideal of Doing Stuff- you might miss out on the "Unofficial challenge coin" aspect of it, but it's a uniquely american icon, and ridiculoiusly useful.
 
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The fact that the SAK can do the job as well as the P-38 isn't the point for many people. Not everyone carries a SAK with them at all times. Yes, a SAK is more versatile, and perhaps easier to use for many people,

To each his own man.

I still dont get it. I think EDC'ng a sak at least is something everyone should do. If so a can opener is not needed.

Besides no can of food is going to keep me from its contents sak, p38 or not. A swift blow with a rock or even better rubbing the can on flat rock or concrete opens her right up..

Skam
 
This veteran of Desert Storm, who works at the same hospital I do came up to me one day during lunch, I was opening a can of chili, he stopped and said I sure have used those, we used to throw them away, I never did like the food but I sure wish I would have kept one. I gave it to him, you could tell it meant something more than just a can opener to him.

I never served, but I was raised on military bases and grew up with P-38s, I can’t remember never having one.
 
Here's a dirty little P-38 trick.

Sharpen the blade part razor sharp. In a fight hold it between your fingers and slap your opponent/victim with it. Makes real nasty cuts.

I've sewn up more than one Marine on a friday night for this.
 
To each his own man.

I still dont get it. I think EDC'ng a sak at least is something everyone should do. If so a can opener is not needed.

I don't think the answer you gave before fits the question really. Of course a SAK is much more useful. The can opener on the SAK is inferior, in my experience, to the P-38. I have actually damaged the can opener on a SAK. I think you would need to tape or glue a P-38 to some type of explosive charge to damage one of them.

Besides no can of food is going to keep me from its contents sak, p38 or not. A swift blow with a rock or even better rubbing the can on flat rock or concrete opens her right up..

Skam

That's very true. But we could also tear tendons out with our teeth after ripping the abdominal cavity open with same if we want to keep going with that line of thought. I agree with it, it just doesn't particularly matter in a mini-debate about the P-38 can opener. :D
 
well, in general I'm more concerned with talking about it and its uses, not debating how crappy or useless it is. This may be some of what brings down threads lately *shrug*


I agree that a basic SAK is more useful, but a basic SAK isn't the same thing. a P38 fits on your keychain unnnoticed, takes very little room in a PSK or your wallet, and runs under $.50. I love mine, and I've used it forever and never seen it mentioned here- which struck me as odd.

I really do want to talk about what it is more than what it isn't.

I've discovered a few new uses during this thread, too. Which is a bonus :D
 
Oh, I think it has been discussed in here a couple of times in 2009 before this time. Maybe once in 08 as well. :D

It usually boils down to the same, exact thread. Skammer says they're are a waste because a SAK is more useful and then I and two dozen other people come in and say P-38s are valuable. :::shrug:::
 
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