The NEW Benchmade Knife Co.

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I assume you've seen the site and the new knives they are offering.

Zytel Handles
AUS-8 Steel
N690 Steel
440C Steel

What is happening to benchmade? One of there attractive things to me was the made in the USA thing, but I'm hearing that that's going away too!

Argh!
:mad:
 
This has been dealt with already in some previous threads, but in a nutshell, think of it as Benchmade going through it's own "Walmartization."

No so good for knife nuts, but good for everyone else probably.
 
I wasn't impressed with their new offerings. I think they're trying to be more competative at a lower price point. They are putting out knives made from cheaper materials. They can probably sell more at that price range and make more money. How many average people are going to spend $130-150 for a folder in a knife shop when they can get something for $30-50 that they think will do what they want? This is probably what Benchmade is thinking.
 
Most people can't handle the $200 price point for most Benchmades. It is a smart move to offer knives in a more resonable price range to compete with the likes of Spyderco and Kershaw.

BTW, the more inexpensive knives are made by CRKT for Benchmade.
 
Does anyone know if Benchmade plans to discontinue their higher end line of knives?
 
I was very underwhelmed by Benchmade's new offerings. In my mind, Benchmade=quality knives made from quality materials in the USA. Not anymore I guess. Also, why does Benchmade need the rolling lock when they already have the axis? Couldn't they have let another knife company run with the design?
--Josh
 
This is disappointing....what's happening?

The new fixed blades look alright but i'm not so sure about the materials...and how come they're using aus 8 now?

i would have liked to see some chunky folders introduced now that they've discontinued the bm721...
 
Benchmade is just trying to get another market segment, that's all. Their higher end stuff will stay the same, they just want more of the overall knife market "pie"
 
Originally posted by Spark
Benchmade is just trying to get another market segment, that's all. Their higher end stuff will stay the same, they just want more of the overall knife market "pie"

Exactly what spark said. I said this in the other benchmade post but i'll say it again here. People should stop jumping to conclusions and immediately cry foul play. BM is simply creating a lower cost value line for people on a budget. They will still keep their current high quality line and even add a custom/limited edition gold line. Just think of this as Porsche coming out with the boxster, or Mercedes coming out with the C-class coupe, or the other multitude of entry level cars from high end companies. They are trying simply trying to gain some more market share. And i'm going to assume that BM is smart enough not to alienate their current customers and to clearly define their two seperate target markets
 
Benchmade has long had what they are now calling "The Blue Line" and "The Black Line." There has always been and will remain some cross-over between them. Benchmade has also long had what they are now calling "The Gold Line," it's just been disorganized and sort of random. Now, they're adding "The Red Line," a line of lower-cost knives many of which will be made off-shore.

I'm no fan of off-shore manufacturing and I'm disappointed to see Benchmade going that route. But, I understand the economics of it.

What remains to be seen is how well Benchmade will maintain the quality and integrity of The Blue Line. Time will tell.

These lower-end products are often called, "entry-level products." The goal is to introduce new consumers who will, hopefully, like their entry-level experience and decide to move up to the higher-tier products for future purchases.

The risk is that low-quality entry-level products can spoil a brand name. The Cadillac Cimeron (sp?) was a good example of that. They took a crappy Chevy, put Cadillac badges on it, and hoped that consumers would buy it, like it, and upgrade to the more expensive Caddies. Consumers initally bought it, "Wow! I can get a Cadillac for that price?", but when they got it, they were bitterly disappointed and deserted the Cadillac line entirely, "This is NOT what I expected from a Cadillac!" Meanwhile, Cadillac's traditional customers were annoyed to have "their" name put on that POS car, they perceived a devaluation of the brand name, and so they deserted too. Add to that the timely introduction of Lexus, Infinity, and a couple of other new entries to that market, and Cadillac was seriously injured. The Cimeron was a monumental mistake. It's only in recent years that Cadillac has finally shaken off the Cimeron and started to reclaim the value of their brand name and, with it, their market share.

Benchmade has got to make sure that their Red Line truly does usher new consumers into the Blue and even Gold Lines and that it doesn't devalue the brand name for their traditional customers.

Let's face it, there are plenty of perfectly functional pocket knives for under $50. When a pocket knife crests $50 much less $100, we're often talking about a luxury good. With luxury goods, be they cars or knives, image, brandname, brand reputation, is part of the product, it's part of the value of the product.

It doesn't matter if you keep the high-end product exactly unchanged, if you apply the same brand name to a low-quality POS product, that will devalue the high-end product.
 
Three lines of Benchmades; Blue, Black, and Gold; will be made in the USA. Blue is the regular Benchmades we all know and love, Black is mostly autos, and Gold will be all of the high-end collector stuff like their damascus versions of the 850 and 960-08.

The Red line will be made in Taiwan, but service will still be handled in Oregon City. Only the red line will have AUS-8A and N690 for blade steels. OTOH, the Mono-Lock framelock of the 750 Pinnacle will be returning in the more affordable 10300 Monochrone.

The Blue line will still carry some priced-to-own axis-lock Benchmades. There's the Griptillians, mini-Griptillians, and the new 530 (axis-lock, tip-up, ambidextrous reincarnation of the 350).


The Benchmades that most knifeknuts will buy will be made in America, so if buying products made in the USA is an important consideration, you'll still have that choice with Benchmade.
 
This is bad.

Shame on them for trying to branch out and become more diverse and profitable!!!:rolleyes:

Bruce
 
I was one of the people that had the opportunity to attent the web conference hosted by Benchmade's owner, Les De Asis. As he stated during that time, Benchmade has always been focused on the $80-300 segment of the market. They did very little below or above that spot. What they are trying to do now, as stated by other here, is capture some of the other markets.

The red line is being produced overseas (taiwan I think), and will be the knives to help them break into the $30-80 market segment. These knives will use cheaper, but still good, materials. They will offer the average knife buyer a chance to own a Benchmade, which will hopefully then convince those persons to try out thier higher end offerings. They will have the same warrenty all BM's do.

The Blue line is what's already out there that we (many of us anyway) have come to know and love. These will continue as it's where Benchmade has made its mark.

The Gold line is Benchmades attempt to break into the very high end/custom market. These knives will be in the $300+ range, and will include various types of more exotic materials. These include, but are not limited to, damascus, Mother of Pearl, etc.

The Black line is thier LE/military line. These will include all automatic knives, and many of thier more tactical knives. Where most of these will be restricted items, some will be available to the general public.

I think Benchmade is doing what it needs to do to continue to grow and thrive. I plan to buy some of the new red line knives to see how they actually compare to thier regular offerings. At 1/3 - 1/5th the price, they could possibly some very good value knives.

Everyone seems to only ever read part of what's going on. As soon as they see "overseas production", the world stops and now it's a bad company. They don't bother to continue to read to see that it's only one line, not all of them. Find out the whole story, or at least more of it, before condeming the company as a whole.

Just my 2¢.
 
My little mini-grip from Cabela's with a D2 blade is really a joy and it was very affordable.I think it's a good marketing strategy. Personally, I'm interested in their new 10200 Ambush Pardue.


Besides, for all you who think made in America is just that...your fooling yourselves. There are different interpretations of "made in America". Take Harley for instance....they are not 100% made in America. Some of the parts are made in Asia and just installed in the U.S. Their clothing line....mostly oversees. Granted, some of their clothing lines used to be made in U.S posessions like Guam.....so technically I guess they can label it Made in the U.S. Yet, nobody busts Harley's chops.

With Benchmade......those products made oversees may just help keep jobs here in the U.S during times when not enough people can plunk down $200.00 for a pocket knife that's made in the U.S. It is a global economy and we need to not freak out at things that aren't entirley made here in the U.S.

You vote with your wallet as they say.

Just my very humble opinion,
Mike
 
The red line is not made of cheap material look at the Extrema Ratio prices there are well other $200 and what kind of steel they use ? N690. Now you will got a $50 Benchmade with a N690 blade.
 
I've been looking at the presidio manual folder...it's looking kinda good...anyone know what the handle material is???

The 780 looks nice as well...

I take it back...they still have some nice stuff coming out...

I think people are just a bit disappointed to have Benchmades not made in the US. Benchmade has always been in the higher end of the market. Releasing the lower end knives however good the quality is will alienate some buyers.

That's why Toyota created the Lexus. They didn't want their high end cars (Lexus) being associated to Toyota. It would have been easier to just keep the Toyota name but people won't be comparing a Toyota to a Mercedes. I think it's also the same with Nissan and Infinity.

Whatever it is i will still be buying the Blue line stuff...and maybe even the Red line for rough use.
 
Yam and Patryn,

Well said.

Luku,

There's at least three types of N690 steel. It may or may not be what Extrema Ratio uses.

Point44,

Only the Red series is made in Taiwan. Everything else is made in Oregon City.
 
I wonder if the start of a new line translates into fewer choices in the old. I suppose if it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. I just didn't get that sense about the 721. Everything I read about it on BF and KF was positive. Lighter than the 720, G10 handle. Who knows. It may have been discontinued anyway. Just venting.

Tom
 
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