The Poop Pee Couch

I appeciate that you can put aside that which did not focus upon you and not take offence at it . My last thread was >tongue in cheek< . That having been said all of it was true .
The pallid self absorbed lives led by the self centered universe dwellers of these $300,000+ Condos saddens me .(for them) There is truly a less than one child per household birthrate here . I suspect if it was adjusted geographicaly condo dwellers would fare the worse with those in the countryside keeping their ends up . (and down) L:O:L

I do appreciate well behaved children . Those in my community of traditional archers are reasonably so . They are fun loving with just a bit of the rascal about some of them . I wouldn,t have it any other way .

As for a household of collectables ? All objects carefully preserved behind glass ? If I want that I,ll go to a museum . In the end I think we do agree on the issue of childrens behaviour as well as our own . We just drink our tea from different cups . Yours is proabably porcelain and mine is a mason jar .The end results are the same . Have a good day .
 
Hey now, I sure don't want you to think that all my collectibles are behind glass :)

I must say though, I do prefer the look of objects when they are nicely and properly showcased behind glass :)
To me, it just adds a nice touch to our home, that being more of a personal preference on our part, not a requirement.

The added benefit of these display cases, which themselves can be pleasing to the eye, is the fact that the items stored within them need less devotion to constant maintenance. The items that are enclosed are kept from the constant hassle of such things as airborn dust accumalation. An example of this are my guns. They are all behind glass, letting us and all our visitors enjoy them visually, but not requiring me to have to worry much about airborn contaminants and such. There is a purpose to my seeming madness....... LOL! ;)
When one is involved in owning a lot of items, such as I do, then one wants to enjoy their beauty without being a slave to maintaining them clean. It has worked great for my wife and I ;)

I don't drink tea, or coffee, but when I drink my liquids, it's usually out of a glass (oftentimes made of plastic) ;)


Here are some photos of one of our pride and joys (our daughter). We took these photos yesterday, just before she headed out with here date to their Jr. Prom (hope you all don't mind my sharing these photos, you all know how proud fathers can be) :)

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(notice the lack of plastic wrapping on the 10+ year old chair she&#8217;s sitting in) ;)

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Very nice looking kid, Jimmy.
This thread has become a testimonial to child rearing following Jimmy's description of his home environment. I see a wide range of success possibilities in child rearing. There are many overly disciplined homes that do not supply either enough love or reward for adherence to the program, and we've seen the results of that. There are overly permissive homes and we've seen the results of that too.

Kids are good stuff. They'll grow right under a wide range of rules as long as there's some love there and someone to give a damn.

In the little town my sons live every adult is a potential friend. I like that. My sons tend to look people in the eye. Small town America had virtures.



munk
 
Your daughter looks very elegant, Jimmy. My wife and I tried for a girl but we had only boys!
Is that her prom dress?



munk
 
What a beautiful young lady you raised Jimmy--I'm sure you've had your share of young men to "show off" your khukuri collection to;) "now before you two go out there's one thing I'd like to show you in the basement-just the two of us":D

My girls are many years younger than your daughter. I hope my girls grow up to be well adjusted happy young adults like yours seem to be.
 
Thank you, MauriRob and Munk, for the kind words :)

Yes, Munk, that's her prom dress.

Her mom was perfectly okay with it, but I myself would have preferred it to have covered all the way up to her chin (don't they make turtleneck prom dresses anymore)................. LOL! ;)

In all seriousness, I was the one that went with her when she picked it out. She tried out quite a few that day, but this is the one that she fell in love with. It may have more of the J-Lo look than I'm comfortable with, but I realize that my little girl is growing up.

Her date was a kid her age that we've known for quite a few years, and we felt she was in good hands. Even so, he had been shown the armament, just in case..................... LOL! ;)
 
Kevin the grey said:
I,m going to invest in a cellophane factory . L:O:L When I worked in fire alarms I wired up so many Swiffer wet jet crisis clean Condos it just boggles the mind .More toxic chemicals are used to keep the place clean than to decontaminate a nuclear test site . . Sterile white walls offset by wussy white couches .
Kids ? What kids . Less than a one per family ratio . Much less .
That would require the pallid white condo dwellers to retire to the wonderfully white bedroom and pray for an immaculately white conception .
It just aint a gonna happen .
Personally I am glad they don,t have children . I betcha if they did they would be well behaved little automatons .

I think kids are supposed to be in trouble sometimes . Their spirits are supposed to overflow their bounds occasionally . Only the spiritless would not . Track a little mud in the house ? we would just get the redneck version of the swiffer wet jet out . Its called a wet dry vac and it screams like a banshee on steroids .
Since when did dirt get dirty ?

This lifestyle bothers me too Kevin. My wife has a boss who makes you put plastic shopping bags on your feet before coming into her home. No kids, of course. I love to cough loudly when I visit my wife at work. Or sneeze even. Woo. Its my way of being a bastard. I know immidiately after I leave she gets up and sanitizes all the surfaces in the office with Lysol. Makes me laugh. She's a good person though, I'm just a button pusher.

I was raised out in the country, and miss being dirty every day. I spent the summers on the farm in Mississippi. In the morning I'd help my grandaddy with the canteloupes and watermelons and any other farm chores. (Never grow sorgam. YUK.) Then it was off to town to sell the melons to the local roadside vendor for my grandad's secret beer money. All of that done by early afternoon we were off to the pond to catch a stringer full of blue gill. MMMM. I was dirty all day.

When they retired my grandaddy built a log cabin on his ancestral land. It took a few years and my dad and I helped out a lot during the summers. It sits on a cool basement that has access to the driveway. Its perfect as a mudroom. Nothing about it was clean, and my grandparents didn't enforce ANY rules that I know of. We never got into any trouble out there though. We did do a lot of: running in the house, rummaging through old junk, arguing loudly between my sister and myself, tracking in mud, and generally being balls to the wall country children. It was one hell of a childhood. I hope I can give Hannah the same.

I also remember visiting my Dad's family. Persnickity as hell about their things. Rules Rules Rules. My sister and I had no problem following them and staying out of trouble. We just didn't like going there. Stiff and boring. We tried to stay outside the whole time. I wish they had been easier to get along with, today I miss them and wish I had been closer to my Pawpaw. He was a hell of a man, and I have come to admire him very much. Kids are wierd that way though. As a kid he scared me and I kept my distance. Now its too late. Who was wrong? Hey at least his things weren't disturbed, and his rules were followed right? It was his rigidity that spoiled our bond, I won't let that happen with any kids in the family. I'm always the one rolling around on the floor with them. Tickling them. Playing video games with them. Reading them Harry Potter books. Playing hide and seek in the house till we bump something and knock it over.

To hell with things. To hell with respecting peoples things. Bond with children. Find out what is interesting to them. It only takes a minute of interest to gain their trust. They will lead you to magnificant places.

IMHO, YMMV. I am in no way judging you Jimmy Jiminez. Its like you say, one style vs another. Yours is just as right as mine.
 
I'm getting old tree stumps for furniture. It's cheap and easy to wrap in the plastic cellophane stuff. :D
 
BruiseLeee said:
I'm getting old tree stumps for furniture. It's cheap and easy to wrap in the plastic cellophane stuff. :D

try some new tree stumps, they'll sweat sap & you can stick mosquitos in it to make amber. only takes a few million years & you'll be all set. the aliens may even be able to clone you from them & you'll get to see how this all turns out.
 
So, Bruises's DNA in storage in the belly of a mosquito for a million years and then cloned.

Something will go wrong.



munk
 
Yvsa said:
And I absolutely marvel when I see W.A.S.P. kids out and about with their parents that are well behaved because it is so damned rare these days!!!!
And I always marvel and admire ethnic folks with their kid's out and about because 95% of the time or more their kids are behaving in a manner that reflects a really good impression of their parent's and the way they have disciplined and are raising their kid's!!!!

I don't have any kids but funny what you say. We used to bring our goats to kind of a field day thing with lots of kids. I always noticed the most well behaved ones were always, first the ones from gay parents and second the adopted ones. The very worst were white ones.

I was mentioning this to my wife and she said that of course the adopted kids are most well behaved because their parents absolutely WANTED to have them rather then being accidents. So they spent more time on them generally speaking
 
Hollowdweller I,ll have to disagree with you on that one . I realise you don,t mean accident in the truest sense of the word . I,ve got nothing against gays or adopting children . Lots of people want things and end up not wanting them . Lots of people have things thrust upon them and are excellent providers .My daughter was news to me when she was announced . Nature just happens . There is nothing accidental about it ,

It may be well behaved children stick out because of the rarity and so are noticed . The same goes for gays .
I think we should say that well behaved children are a rarer thing these days and so are well behaved parents . Orientation shouldn,t come into it .
To me every visible advantage has disadvantages that are not so obvious or we choose to ignore . Don,t ask what they are cause I,ll come off as a gay basher .
 
Yeah, Andy, I can actually relate to much of what you said, and so too can my children :)

You wrote:
"I'm always the one rolling around on the floor with them. Tickling them. Playing video games with them. Reading them Harry Potter books. Playing hide and seek in the house till we bump something and knock it over."

Well, almost all of it,................... we did not do all this until we knocked something over.............. LOL! ;)

Sure, Andy, we did all these types of things as well :)
When they were "little" (a long time ago) I would give them piggy back or horsey rides, watched shows and movies with them on the TV, played video games with them, tickled them, let them and their mom wrestle me on our bed, drew & colored with them, read to them, and much, much more :)

Yes we surely did, but not where we would naturally have problems with them breaking things, or in areas where we saw there could be a danger for them, or even where "knocking something over" of some importance to us would be an obvious problem. Usually these things were done in the kid's bedrooms, or ours. These were and are our more relaxed settings. Did that mean that I would allow them to run and jump in their rooms or anywhere else in the house?...... no it did not. Did it mean they could be careless with their rooms electronics or furniture?.............. no, it did not. In other words, we all surely had lots of fun together, but some basic rules were still followed :)



My home has different areas where we do different things (as I feel it should be).

Examples:

Our dining room is where we like to sit together as a family to "eat" our meals and "drink" our food. This includes my wife and I, my children, and any guests that may come over to dine with us.

The kitchen is where we as a family huddle sometimes to pester my wife to see what she's cooking for us. It's a place where I sometimes dabble with my cooking. It's where we have our main indoor trash can. It's where we wash our dishes. A place where the kids go to get some snacks or drinks, or even to munch and drink something while they are in there.

Our bedroom (wife's and mine) is where I use my computer, where my wife and I may watch our room TV while eating and drinking a snack, where my wife and I sleep, where we take our naps, where we usualy read, where we usually get dressed, and other things.

The kids each have their own bedrooms, and they do similar things in their rooms that we do in our's. They both have their own TV's, they both have their own laptop computers, they both have their own stereo systems, my daughter has her own refrigerator. They entertain their friends in their rooms, they get dressed in their rooms, my daughter uses her vanity to put on her make-up. This is "their" relaxed area of our home, as my wife and I have "our" bedroom for a more relaxed environment.

Even so, we respect these relaxed areas of our home, and follow certain basic rules for each area. We are extremely careful with food and drink, we do not run and jump in any part of the house, and we try to maintain a certain amount of tidyness and a "definite" amount of cleansiness in all areas.

The bathroom is where we shower, brush our teeth, take care of #1 and #2, shave, dress, weigh ourselves, and so on. We keep this area tidy as a family, especially since we all surely get our fair share of it's use.

The living room is where we may gather when we are discussing things as a family. Where I or my wife may go to when the other is watching something on the bedroom TV, and you want to watch something different. Where friends may gather to talk when they come over. Where we all sometimes gather to watch a TV program or to watch a movie together. Where I may read some, or sit down and just relax while hearing some music.


Then there is the outdoor areas, and there the rules that are followed indoors are mostly discarded. Now, playing Basketball, football, running, jumping, being a bit loud, etc, become a normal thing.
But, even then, we expect a proper tidyness and cleansiness pattern to be followed. One does not just go outside and feel free to start littering. One does not do things outside that may disturb neighbors once it's late in the evening, etc. In other words, common sense comes into play in all aspects of our lives, and I expect my kids to have that good common sense.

How do I see things?............ Well, my view is that there is a place and time for everything. With certain things, areas can serve to overlap with activities. With other areas, I feel that their is little to no overlapping, where something is simply more appropriate to do in one place than another.

Again, I know opinions will vary, and there are usually a lot of roads that will take you to the same place, but this road we follow works well for us ;)

I guess what I'm trying to say is this,........... just because we follow a certain pattern of disipline in our lives, does not mean that we do not enjoy our lives. It does not mean that my children did not enjoy their childhood, but only that there may have been a certain higher level of disipline added to their lives when compared to some, probably less when compared to some others :)
 
Your points were already very clear Jimmy, and nothing wrong with your system. I wasn't trying to flame you. Just wanted to present the flip side of the coin.

Don't take this the wrong way JJ, but you sometimes go into vast detail and write lots of text to re-make an argument you've already made very adequately. A page of text describing the function of the common rooms in a house doesn't further the matter. JMHO.

I value diversity, and you are vastly different from me, I think thats what makes this country great. God bless America where you don't have to do things my way and I don't have to do things your way. Yet we may still respect one another and live together peacefully (and stand shoulder to shoulder to face the enemy if someone tried to take that away). I don't want to stamp out your way. Your children are beautiful, and well raised. A testament to your parenting.
 
Kevin the grey said:
Hollowdweller I,ll have to disagree with you on that one . I realise you don,t mean accident in the truest sense of the word . I,ve got nothing against gays or adopting children . Lots of people want things and end up not wanting them . Lots of people have things thrust upon them and are excellent providers .My daughter was news to me when she was announced . Nature just happens . There is nothing accidental about it ,

It may be well behaved children stick out because of the rarity and so are noticed . The same goes for gays .
I think we should say that well behaved children are a rarer thing these days and so are well behaved parents . Orientation shouldn,t come into it .
To me every visible advantage has disadvantages that are not so obvious or we choose to ignore . Don,t ask what they are cause I,ll come off as a gay basher .

I'm not saying that gay folks or other parents who adopt make better parents.
I'm just saying the ones I have seen are better. Also the ones (gay, straight or adopted)that one parent stays home and takes care of the kids? Those are usually more well behaved too.
 
aproy1101 said:
Your points were already very clear Jimmy, and nothing wrong with your system. I wasn't trying to flame you. Just wanted to present the flip side of the coin.

Don't take this the wrong way JJ, but you sometimes go into vast detail and write lots of text to re-make an argument you've already made very adequately. A page of text describing the function of the common rooms in a house doesn't further the matter. JMHO.

I value diversity, and you are vastly different from me, I think thats what makes this country great. God bless America where you don't have to do things my way and I don't have to do things your way. Yet we may still respect one another and live together peacefully (and stand shoulder to shoulder to face the enemy if someone tried to take that away). I don't want to stamp out your way. Your children are beautiful, and well raised. A testament to your parenting.

Sorry if my posts are so detailed, but I just wanted to make sure that anyone reading my posts did not think that just because there is a certain amount of disipline in my childrens lives, that they were somehow deprived of the pleasures of childhood (believing so would simply be wrong).

I shared our basic home activities to support my final thoughts about there being different areas that have different purposes ;)

Short enough for you ;)

LOL! :)
 
hollowdweller said:
Also the ones (gay, straight or adopted)that one parent stays home and takes care of the kids? Those are usually more well behaved too.

I agree!

I felt this way myself when our kids were growing up, and it's why my wife stayed home when they were small.

I did not want to leave them with strangers (babysitters and such), and wanted them to be guided by us, not by others that may have totally different upbringing views, (did not want to confuse them) ;)

She went back to work once the kids started going to school full days.

We went through tougher times financially, but we believe the trade off was well worth it. Just another thing that worked for us :)
 
Yvsa said:
And I always marvel and admire ethnic folks with their kid's out and about because 95% of the time or more their kids are behaving in a manner that reflects a really good impression of their parent's and the way they have disciplined and are raising their kid's!!!!

I don't usually disagree with you Yvsa, but I think the numbers are equal per capita. Every ethnic group has good and bad kids/parents. Todays gangs are mostly populated with ethnic children. ;)
 
JimmyJimenez said:
I just wanted to make sure that anyone reading my posts did not think that just because there is a certain amount of disipline in my childrens lives, that they were somehow deprived of the pleasures of childhood (believing so would simply be wrong).

I certainly get the impression that you've raised well ajusted children. The length of your argument sounded somewhat defensive, and I was trying to calm your fears. You are a model parent JJ, and your daughter's fine posture and beaming smile tell the full tale. She has class. Congrats!!!!;)
 
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