THE Project has begun.

I've heard tell of a Busse that got turned into a folder. An Auto. Don't remember who did the work or what it started as... Might search this forum for some more info...

Personally, I think its a cool idea. Matt is certainly capable of making a folder out of an AD. Definitely go for the Fizz... Not only does it look cool, it works great as a traction enhancer. Flat, and even most contoured Ti is not known for its grippiness...

That said, it would be cool to shoot Jerry an email and get his nod on the project. Not because its "necessary" or "required," but because its the right thing to do. IMNSHO...
 
The project sounds interesting, and all I would do is be careful to refer to the knife as a "Matt Cucchiara folder with a modified Busse AD blade."
 
Eh, I think if Jerry doesn't like it, then he will definitely say something. If he hasn't already done so privately. I won't presume to read his mind, but I suspect that something as competent as Matt's work will elicit a WOW from Jerry. Having a high personal standard doesn't make you appreciate others' work less. Besides, any reasonable INFIholic will know it's not a factory Busse. I see this along the same lines as putting pearl scales on a Mojo (is that what it was? Memory is failing) - not quite as functional as the original, but still an impressive blade.

Matt's stuff looks great. I've seen several fizzes Sebbies posted on the CRK forum. And his clips are :eek: by a mile the best I've seen. Not such a fan of the blade shapes, but if I was ordering a custom we might be able to find a mutually acceptable pattern. Make sure you post pics of "Frankenstein" when it's complete. Now off to troll the couch for quarters - I feel a blade-buying itch!
 
Fan of Steel said:
It's different because it's using a knife, to create something that the maker has decided not to for whatever the reason. It's not adding slabs of exotic material or polishing. It falls somewhere in between "why not" and "maybe not" in my opinion.
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IMO, why is more extreme than giving a knife a full makover?
Look at the filework on some of those pieces. One might think Jerry that.


Fan of Steel said:
If it was a slab of raw INFI I'd agree 100%. My concern is it's a knife with a trade mark (Talon hole) That puts Jerry's name on it.
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INFI is propriatery as well. Again, I'm not going to sell it. Let talk about tires again....... What tires do have on your car??!?? Do you have to file off the manufacturer's name off of your car. NO!!!

Fan of Steel said:
Yes, you are right to an extent but there are always exceptions, just ask the ATF or Napster. :eek: . I just think it feels odd. I am not trying to rain on your parade by any means. I just want to know that this is cool with the big man. In my opinion it seems like it should be cleared with him. I wouldn't want to assume it's cool to find out otherwise.
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The Napster example is a poor one.
IMO, a better example would be if a band refused to let you sing along to music YOU paid for. Or play along to it with your guitar. Can you imagine not being allowed to sing along to someone's music because someone walking down the street might mistake the poor singing as part of the band. That's ridiculous, and that's NOT what this country is about.
 
Fan of Steel said:
I'd like to hear Jerry's opinion on the subject. I figure that he might not be cool with the idea of an INFI folder, which he could not oversee the construction and quality control. Attaching him to work not done by the Busse factory is potentially crossing a line. I've seen Matt's work and it's good don't get me wrong. Jerry keeps INFI proprietary for a reason, Jerry hasn't made an INFI folder yet for a reason. I believe that doing so would require Jerry's permission, and without it I would want no part of it.
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I honestly don't see what the big deal is. It's not like ANYONE is going to think it's factory. It's his knife, he can do what the heck he wants to with it. I'd shoot Jerry an e-mail and describe your project, I'm sure he'd be interested in hearing about it.
 
I think the legal aspect of his venture is being taken way too far. There is no need to remove the talon hole, logo or anything else. What he is doing is comparable to Ronybear getting his knife completed refinished by another maker. Will Busse warranty the work he had done? Hell no, and why should they :) Does that mean he should not have done it? Hell no, he wanted his knife to be something Busse did not offer to customers.

If the active duty can be turned into a folder by another professional maker then the owner of said active duty can have it done if he or she wants. Will Busse warranty the work? Hell no, and why should they :) Will it be as strong as the real Busse folder when it comes out? Hell no, but it doesn't sound as if thats the goal either :)

People have done this in the past with other manfacturers blade, its all in the search for what people like the most. Go for it!!
 
Hi guys, following along reading this thread to see what you guys think. I have done alot of custom work to other makers and manufactures knives and have never had anyone pissed at me, at least not directly at me after seeing my work. If Jerry was really against this I would not do it. If I had one of his knives and was doing it for myself there wouldnt be an issue it would be my knife to do as I please. When Iam charging someone to do this work or selling the end product its a little different story. Even though we can do what we want with what we purchase I dont want any bad blood if someone was strongly against it, just not worth it to me.

I have never really been a fixed blade guy mainly because I was never really a collector, I bought carried and used customs everyday.In CA its kind of tough to carry fixed blades and I really liked the mechanics of the folding knife. So with that said Iam not really familiar with Jerry's knives, but I have seen and handeled them before.

As stated by Dark Nemesis "Will it be as strong as the real Busse folder when it comes out? Hell no, but it doesn't sound as if thats the goal either " Did you say hell no! Is this a challenge? Have you held one of my knives before? ;) J/K Anyway just some thoughts....Iam not sure it will even work with the AD, were still talking about it. I kind of wish we could do it with a larger thicker model, I have never really been into the smaller folder's. Is there a production or semi production line we could try this with first or is the Infi blade steel only used for the custom knives? I'll keep reading your thoughts on this, look forward to your comments.
Matt :)
 
Pontiaker said:
Hi guys, following along reading this thread to see what you guys think. I have done alot of custom work to other makers and manufactures knives and have never had anyone pissed at me, at least not directly at me after seeing my work. If Jerry was really against this I would not do it. If I had one of his knives and was doing it for myself there wouldnt be an issue it would be my knife to do as I please. When Iam charging someone to do this work or selling the end product its a little different story. Even though we can do what we want with what we purchase I dont want any bad blood if someone was strongly against it, just not worth it to me.

I have never really been a fixed blade guy mainly because I was never really a collector, I bought carried and used customs everyday.In CA its kind of tough to carry fixed blades and I really liked the mechanics of the folding knife. So with that said Iam not really familiar with Jerry's knives, but I have seen and handeled them before.

As stated by Dark Nemesis "Will it be as strong as the real Busse folder when it comes out? Hell no, but it doesn't sound as if thats the goal either " Did you say hell no! Is this a challenge? Have you held one of my knives before? ;) J/K Anyway just some thoughts....Iam not sure it will even work with the AD, were still talking about it. I kind of wish we could do it with a larger thicker model, I have never really been into the smaller folder's. Is there a production or semi production line we could try this with first or is the Infi blade steel only used for the custom knives? I'll keep reading your thoughts on this, look forward to your comments.
Matt :)
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Ok, very true...point taken :) Infact I retract that part of my statement for two reasons. First I have not held any of your knives, and second none of us have any idea how strong the Busse folder may be since it hasn't been released :)
 
Dark Nemesis said:
Ok, very true...point taken :) Infact I retract that part of my statement for two reasons. First I have not held any of your knives, and second none of us have any idea how strong the Busse folder may be since it hasn't been released :)
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I was just screwing with ya! Cool :D
 
:eek: Why don't you guys do it with a Badger Attack III? That would be the perfect size blade for a big ass folder!!:eek:
 
If Matt can do it,
it WILL be nice. No doubt in my mind.
thanks for chiming in, Mr. Cucchiara.
Have a great day, everyone.
 
I wish you luck Walking Man! I personally wouldn't cut up an AD just to have a folder with an INFI blade, but I still think it is a very cool idea. And yes, the AD seems fairly ideal. If you don't mind loosing the Busse blade profile, a BA would give you more room to shape the folder's blade--more material to work with.

I'm looking forward to seeing this monster! :D
 
Walking Man said:
3) How would decorate this handle? I was thinking of having a Fizzed (see Matt's site) infinity symbol put on it, however, I am taking suggestions.
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For those of you who are concerned about this, I will be sure to ask Jerry for his blessing in putting the infinity symbol on this knife. Personally I think this effect will be REALLY COOL.
I do not mean this to be any kind of infringment, but rather as a
TRIBUTE TO JERRY

Honestly, though, I don't really think this is necessary, as it would be impossible to copywrite or trademark such a widely used symbol, same thing with a picture of a pig, etc. But I will ask him.
 
I think that is a great idea Walking Man and good luck on your new project. I cannot wait to see the results. To note, why not do progress pictures so we can see the evolution of the knife. that would be cool :cool:
 
Peter La said:
why not do progress pictures so we can see the evolution of the knife. that would be cool :cool:
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Peter, I would love to, but Matt is a very busy guy. I will be sure to ask him to see if he will. In other words, it's mostly up to Matt, not me.
 
If it turns out nice I'll buya Meaner Street and have it done, the chance to get an MS blade on a folder and pick put the exact scales I want....you bet I'd jump on that :D
 
"So what do you guys think? Even if you think this is a dumb idea, please let me know why."

Well, I won't go so far as to say it's a dumb idea, but I will say that it would defeat the purpose of using an INFI blade if you do not make the lock and everything else about the folder up to the task of taking the sort of abuse INFI can handle. If the lock and/or handle can't take twisting, hammering, prying, etc., without total lock reliability, then I wouldn't bother.

As far as I'm aware, there have only been two kinds of folders this tough ever made: Arlee Niemi's Megalodon folder, which is no longer made (I think), and the fabled Busse folder, of which there's been at least one (I've held it, it's real), but which is basically unobtainable until Jerry ramps up production.

So, I'd give some serious thought to what sort of lock to use and what the handle design will be, before I'd go forward. A lock back, or axis lock, or frame lock, etc., is just too unreliable to bother with for this use.

--Mike
 
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