The Re-Birth of the C-60 Massad Ayoob model

sgt1372 said:
Just to present the "contrary" position, the Ayoob C60 is/was designed as a SD knife.

As a "fan" of SD knives (of which I have MANY, which is why I bought the C60 in the 1st place), fully SE blades do NOT function well as such BECAUSE when you attempt to cut thru cloth (which the perp will almost certainly will be wearing) the serrations hang up in the cloth and do not cut cleanly as a PE blade would.

If you use your C60 for NON-SD purposes, fine but, if you are using the C60 for what it was designed for, grab your PE version instead.

Take my word for it but, if you don't believe me, set up a dummy w/a jacket on and see what happens when you attempt a back handed slash cut on it w/the soon to be released fully SE version.

It will hang and stop and the prep will knock your lights out, unless you block the strike and use the C60 as a stabbing weapon instead.

Just saying . . . LOL! ;)

BTW, I have NOTHING against fully SE blades but their usefullness is limited to maybe 10-20% of the tasks that you may face.

Like any tool, use the best one for the task at hand and, if the task requires a fully SE blade, grab one but for daily duty a PE blade will function fine and will event handle the tasks that a fully SE blade will handle better but it will just take a little more time.

If in doubt, carry a PS blade instead. Is there a PS C60 in the plans?
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Everything with a grain of salt I suppose.

Real world "usage" is hard to quantify for these situations but here's a "fun" one.

https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=72657
 
I had doubts about the Matriarch/Civilian blade, but tried it out. Glesser's design is correct, they cut like a demon, just differently and nastier than a plain edge. They aren't designed to stab and to me that's not a problem. They are a "get the f*** off me knife."
 
sgt1372 said:
FWIW, I just happened to see 2 listings for a fully serrated C60 here:

C60S Massad Ayoob 801 and here: C60S Massad Ayoob 447.

Priced at $425-$445 they're too expensive to me but, if you're interested, the 2nd one seems like the better value because it looks LNIB and box is supposedly signed by Ayoob; no authentication provided.

Since they're numbered over 200, they are not Collector Club knives but may have been part of an earlier numbered Sprint Run. Perhaps Sal can elaborate on their history and the total produced.

They're both still there as of this writing if you're interested.
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Thanks for the heads up>> and for a super serious collector that might be worth looking at. They are obviously out of the original 2002 to 2004 run. Because the G-10 Sprint Run of 2011 had no serrated options at all. Personally I like the G-10 handled units far better than I did the original Almite/aluminum handle.

And with a sizable new Sprint Run soon to be out and they are going to be available in SE & PE both. But I do find it interesting that some of the original run units are for sale. It was a long time before I seen any of the older C-60 models out there for sale. But for a serious collector who wants units out of the original 2002 run that might be worth investing. However I personally wouldn't pay that much especially with a new Sprint Run about to hit the market. But as the old saying goes "It's Worth What Someone Will Pay For I".
 
I think there are more than a few people who hang onto knives they don't use a lot but then flip them when a new run is coming.

Kind of rotating the stock.
 
JD Spydo said:
Thanks for the heads up>> and for a super serious collector that might be worth looking at. They are obviously out of the original 2002 to 2004 run. Because the G-10 Sprint Run of 2011 had no serrated options at all. Personally I like the G-10 handled units far better than I did the original Almite/aluminum handle.

And with a sizable new Sprint Run soon to be out and they are going to be available in SE & PE both. But I do find it interesting that some of the original run units are for sale. It was a long time before I seen any of the older C-60 models out there for sale. But for a serious collector who wants units out of the original 2002 run that might be worth investing. However I personally wouldn't pay that much especially with a new Sprint Run about to hit the market. But as the old saying goes "It's Worth What Someone Will Pay For I".
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I liked the G10 units far less than the thinner lighter originals.
 
fonedork said:
I liked the G10 units far less than the thinner lighter originals.
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And that's good. Because everyone's needs are completely different. For the uses that I'm faced with on a daily basis I find that the grip factor of a good grade of G-10 works much better for me. For many hard uses I'm now finding that good grades of G-10 and Carbon Fiber both provide me with a grip that I feel confident using. I also like a really well made Titanium handle too. It seems like Titanium has a grip factor far better than any other bare metal knife handle I've ever used.

Benchmade used to have a couple of models that had "anodized aluminum" handles that I found quite similar to titanium handles and I really loved the grip I got with those. The Boguszewski Spike was one I remember really well and one I used and EDCed quite a bit during the 90s.
 
JD Spydo said:
And with a sizable new Sprint Run soon to be out and they are going to be available in SE & PE both. But I do find it interesting that some of the original run units are for sale. It was a long time before I seen any of the older C-60 models out there for sale. But for a serious collector who wants units out of the original 2002 run that might be worth investing. However I personally wouldn't pay that much especially with a new Sprint Run about to hit the market. But as the old saying goes "It's Worth What Someone Will Pay For I".
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That particular knife was spendy but it seems like a sprint run 20 years later might stoke interest in the design and be generally positive for the collectibility of the originals, not pull prices down. It’s not like they’re going to reissue it in the original scales and phillips clip screws, or even the original steel - it’s more of a tribute in the form of a modern interpretation. They’re not making the old ones ever again.
 
I have one of the original serrated Ayoobs. Way up there as far as one of my favorite Spydercos.
 
Any update on when these might hit? What the price will be? What dealers will have them?
 
Hi Rje,

They're still a ways off. Prototype scales are made in the US and sent to Japan. Then a hand made prototype will be made with the new materials. Then we approve of the prototype and production begins. Once production begins, we receive a production prototype made from production pieces. Once approved, then production runs until complete.

sal
 
Thanks, Sal!! How incredible to get an answer to this question directly from you.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Rje,

They're still a ways off. Prototype scales are made in the US and sent to Japan. Then a hand made prototype will be made with the new materials. Then we approve of the prototype and production begins. Once production begins, we receive a production prototype made from production pieces. Once approved, then production runs until complete.

sal
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Greetings Sal! Do you have any news for us regarding sprint run?
 
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