the role of a police officer

Adam Zyglis, Buffalo, NY, The Buffalo News

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Citizens sleep peaceably at night because rough men are willing to do violence on their behalf......George Orwell
 
Although a few LEO's fall short of our expectations, their role in society is pretty well spelled out in Romans Chapter 13. I appologize to those of you who have apparently had several bad experiences, but I'm tempted to ask if anything you said or did during those contacts might have exacerbated the situation? (May you have deserved the lumps?)
 
jurassicnarc44 said:
Although a few LEO's fall short of our expectations, their role in society is pretty well spelled out in Romans Chapter 13. I appologize to those of you who have apparently had several bad experiences, but I'm tempted to ask if anything you said or did during those contacts might have exacerbated the situation? (May you have deserved the lumps?)
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I don,t think it is an accurate portrayl of Law Enforcement to say they are corrupt or out of control . . Even if we are to be more specific and state that here or there , these officers have done wrong . Notwithstanding a code of silence , thin blue line , them against us or just plain sticking up for each other , they are we . Certainly it takes a certain kind of individual to be a police officer and that corruption leads to corruption . If they are corrupt or out of control then we are corrupt or out of control . I agree that putting on a uniform could be akin to putting on a mask and what goes on behind that mask may not reflect what that person would do otherwise .
There are many different kinds of masks, including indifference , righteous indignation and my favourite , holier than thou . They are we , if they are we then it is best we look to our own house .
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DannyinJapan said:
I was born in Dallas, Texas in 1971 and I never really had any cause to look at police officers as anything but predators. As a child, I only saw fear and upset when the lights came on behind my parents car, and after it was all over (ticket given) nothing but anger and hatred.
To a certain extent, I can understand my parent's anger and frustration. We were a poor family with 4 kids, the 150$ ticket for an expired registration sticker was an unnecessary hardship that took away money we didnt have.
In Texas cops often do tend to be a tad "copish."
(there's two of them in my family)

What I have come to understand from living in Japan, however, is what place the police officer holds in our political system. Oh yes, the cop has a role in our democracy and you may never know it until you leave America.

The police officer is YOU. He represents us, the average citizens, against the organized crime families, corrupt politicians, and anybody else who wants to prey upon us.

You may not understand this, but I now value the fact the my police have the fastest cars and the best guns and training they can get.

I live in a place where organized crime families took over the govt a long time ago. Police here carry empty pistols, ride mopeds, and, when the gangsters demand it, even give up citizens who run into police stations begging for protection.

The police represent you and me, at the most basic level, against the animals.
They can arrest anybody, even governors or the president of GE or anybody else. That is not so in all countries, let me tell you.

When some local bureacrat rapes some teenage girl, I know that my police will go get him and give him the perp walk just like any other criminal. That aint so in every country.

If you never heard this before, think about it. It's the truth. Believe me, you'd never believe what you were hearing if, when you dialed 911, some police officer gets on and tells you "oh, well, how do we know you're telling the truth? maybe someone is in your house and maybe there isnt. IF we come to your house and there's nobody there, you're going to be in trouble"

Or , if you call to report a drunk driver they say " what do you want us to do about it?"

The secret keystone of a real, free democracy: The police. It's almost like a separate branch of the government from the judiciary...
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I knew the Yakuza were a problem, but not to that extent. I thought that a country like Japan would have a better LEO force. Localized corruption is one thing, but WOW.
 
Why do you suppose the Eastern Seaboard can't get major public transportation projects done even within eyesight of the original estimates, be it tunnel, bridge or turnpike? For that matter...LA tried to build a underground commute rail system...that went real well. These engineering fiascos don't happen completely randomly; humans help the process along with a modest amount of palm oiling corruption.

A; "Bash Some Cops" Thread is flawed on premise. Cops are not evil. People are fallible. That includes Cops, and khuks, I might add.













munk
 
munk said:
Why do you suppose the Eastern Seaboard can't get major public transportation projects done even within eyesight of the original estimates, be it tunnel, bridge or turnpike? For that matter...LA tried to build a underground commute rail system...that went real well. These engineering fiascos don't happen completely randomly; humans help the process along with a modest amount of palm oiling corruption.

A; "Bash Some Cops" Thread is flawed on premise. Cops are not evil. People are fallible. That includes Cops, and khuks, I might add.













munk
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Not saying that corruption doesn't exist. It's out there, and I see it. Just thought that Japan wouldn't have it out there like that.
 
While I'm often surprised over the specific and extreme forms of corruption different societies develope from one another, I'm not surprised by the weakness itself. It's written into the social contract, apparently. I don't think anyone really does know if say, Mexico is more corrupt than Canada, or is the US more corrupt than France? I doubt the degree and depth of vice is uniform throughout the world's societys, but it would be almost impossible to 'measure' it by any objective standard. This sort of leaves the field wide open. One can decide to believe the Federal Government, for instance, is either basically a positive force or a negative force. Or both.





munk
 
Corruption has two faces.

1.Greed that ruins nations, cities, towns etc through the blind power grabs of its dictators, North Korea and Belarus recently, for example.

2.Greed that actually gets things done. For instance, the politician that makes sure his buddy gets the contract to build the new bridge.

I'm saddened that number 2 is the only option in this country.
 
Agreed. We can't be scientific, but we know Cuba is worse off than California. Barely.




munk
 
Yeah, that's it; Cuba's ahead of California in one respect; they've already fallen off the Continent into the ocean.







munk
 
I have been in law enforcement for 12 years, seven as a city cop in Texas and five as a federal agent. I have worked with a great many professionals and I have never seen one act with malice or ill intent. The honest truth is that the majority of law enforcement agents are doing a great job and go out on their tours of duty for the sole purpose "to serve and protect". As in every profession, whether you are an attorney, educator, cop, or ditch digger there are good and bad. Unfortunatley the bad in law enforcement give all a bad rap. This is more apparent in law enforcement because of the high profile and nature of the work. When it comes time to "take out the trash" few people like to get their hands dirty. In a situation where a cop is obligated to take someones freedom or worse their life, the proverbial **it often hits the fan. It is at this moment that Joe citizen, in the comfort of his armchair and security feels the need to second guess the actions that were taken. Again, I know bad seeds exist, but I say let the people who wear the badge do their duties.....and let the chips fall.....I have had some great partners over the years and I have worked with the best, to them I say God Bless and stay safe, "Always watch you six".

Two to the body, one to the head, we prefer them alive, but we'll take 'em dead!
 
"Bash Some Cops" Thread is flawed on premise.
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That's right, thank God this isnt one of those threads, nor was it intended to be. If anybody thought it was, please reread the first post.


Meangreen, I think you are full of it. No offense, but honestly, "Two to the body, one to the head, we prefer them alive, but we'll take 'em dead!" isnt exactly TDPS offical policy, now is it?
 
meangreen said:
I have been in law enforcement for 12 years, seven as a city cop in Texas and five as a federal agent. I have worked with a great many professionals and I have never seen one act with malice or ill intent. The honest truth is that the majority of law enforcement agents are doing a great job and go out on their tours of duty for the sole purpose "to serve and protect".

Two to the body, one to the head, we prefer them alive, but we'll take 'em dead!
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Your finisher reflects the attitude that I think is the problem with law enforcement in general.

If you have never seen a cop abuse power, you have a different definition of "abuse" than I do.
 
As a gunsmith I have dealt with hundreds.. maybe thousands, of police officers.
Most are regular guys / gals just doing their job. They like guns and knives and hunting and fishing.. and horses and....:thumbup:

There are, unfortunately, quite a few I call " former hall monitors"., on a power trip..
Not many. I know them and have " educated them on their errs":
Some are children, or relatives, of friends
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One kid.. of Mexican decent, told his GF ( a daughter of a good redneck buddy) to SUE a guy that barely bent her bumper...( hit her in the rear just after the light turned green)

He and I had a little " conversation"
He told me " I'm an officer of the law !"
I took him to the ground and told him " No bubba" You are a kid named Sam who I've known since you were seven !"
Knock off the attitude or I'll strangle your little azz !
If you try this crap on another man, that doesn't know you, you'll be dead meat..
Understood ?

Well. the kid(22) freaked and said " Man".. thanks for grounding me"
I said you aint nothin but a county employee whos salary is paid by US folks.. Have respect.
If they turn on you ? kill them.
Talk to them as the neighbor that they are and feel it out....
Every scenario is different.

He is a changed young man. He was a great student and did police explorers through high school.
His dad barely speaks english but is a MASTER cabinet man.
He was brainwashed by the idiots " teaching " him.
I put a halt on than nonsense.

It kinda reminds me of the kids involved at Abu Gharib.. Brainwashed, low IQ .. just children.. ( for the most part)

If I shook Rumsfelds hand he'd be in need of a body cast...
 
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