The Rothco Ramster -- A Buckmaster 184 Survival Knife Clone

While the Ramster could serve as a Survival Knife, I bought it mostly for kicks and grins. The idea of sawing/batoning through a log with it sounds fun, but if I were going out into the woods then I would probably pack something smaller or at least lighter in weight.

I wish that Buck (or anybody for that matter) was still making the 639 Fieldmate, as it seems like a fantastic knife for wilderness carry, but I'm hesitant to use mine since it's rare and the prices are on the rise.

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I think you should have any doggone knife that you want, but I have to ask: What are you going to do with two-and-a-half inches of sawtooth spine? There must be a better way to have some fun.
 
The 639 Fieldmate has a 5-½" blade. That being said, if anyone made a quality knife with a 3-½" sawtooth blade, then I would be all over that, if only because I find them aesthetically pleasing.

Seriously, eventually I would like to buy a Buck 841 Sprint Pro, and it has a bit of jimping on the spine that look a lot like sawteeth at certain angles, which I would be lying if I didn't admit was an attraction to me.

I just don't take myself all that seriously, and thusly I'm comfortable buying, even using knives that are impractical just because they look cool.
Case in point, I actually carried a Cold Steel Ti-Lite VI for a few years, even though it was a huge, largely impractical, and extremely threatening looking knife, just because I digged the aesthetics and I got a kick out of it.

I mean, my username is Uncle Buckmaster... Yeah, a fusion of a John Candy 1980s Comedy Film and a Rambo Knife. I have no desire to be taken seriously or otherwise to become the Gecko45 of Blade Forum.
 
The 639 Fieldmate has a 5-½" blade. That being said, if anyone made a quality knife with a 3-½" sawtooth blade, then I would be all over that, if only because I find them aesthetically pleasing.

Seriously, eventually I would like to buy a Buck 841 Sprint Pro, and it has a bit of jimping on the spine that look a lot like sawteeth at certain angles, which I would be lying if I didn't admit was an attraction to me.

I just don't take myself all that seriously, and thusly I'm comfortable buying, even using knives that are impractical just because they look cool.
Case in point, I actually carried a Cold Steel Ti-Lite VI for a few years, even though it was a huge, largely impractical, and extremely threatening looking knife, just because I digged the aesthetics and I got a kick out of it.

I mean, my username is Uncle Buckmaster... Yeah, a fusion of a John Candy 1980s Comedy Film and a Rambo Knife. I have no desire to be taken seriously or otherwise to become the Gecko45 of Blade Forum.

I like your philosophy on impractical knives (of course even the "impractical" can sometimes prove to be "practical";)).

And we have more than just that philosophy in common. The Ti-Lite 6 is my all-time favorite knife, I currently own 6 of them. The folding stiletto has been my favorite style of knife since I was a little kid.

I carry a Ti-Lite 6 everywhere I go in a shoulder harness for comfort, discretion, and easy access (me below). I always wear a motorcycle jacket when I go out (I ride wherever I go), so both knives are always covered. That's a modified Ti-Lite 4 on my belt (the T6 is also modified)


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Yeah, I've always been fond of folding stilettos too, and the Ti-Lite is nice because unlike most others it is neither an automatic nor a spring-assisted knife, so it can be carried almost anywhere that doesn't have draconian restrictions on blade length.

My only issue with the Ti-Lite is that they stopped making them out of Titanium a long time ago, so the name is something of a misnomer, but I guess Al-Lite or Zy-Lite just isn't quite as catchy. Regardless, with all of the names that Cold Steel usually puts on their knives like; Voyager, Counter-Point, Double Agent, etc, Ti-Lite seems kind of sedate.

Regardless, I've carried a Ti-Lite VI with a Zytel handle since the Summer of 2018, but recently retired it in favor of the smaller, lighter, less threatening, and ultimately more practical Buck 110 Slim Pro.

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I had considered a Ti-Lite IV instead, but it's expensive, strangely hard to come by, and still quite large for a carry knife.
Regardless, I still love the knive, and if I thought that I were actually going to end up needing a knive for self-defense, then it would still be my first choice.
 
I've had several Ti-Lites over the years. I don't think the "Ti" is supposed to mean Titanium. I say this because Cold Steel introduced the Ti-Lite in 2000 in the 7075 Aluminum and Zytel handles. Then the Titanium handle was introduced in 2001. The last Titanium ones in VG1 made in Japan was my personal favorite and that was in 2007. Cold Steel went to Taiwan production the next year.
Ummm...don't think so. According to the catalogs, it was titanium when introduced in 2000. Zytel came along in 2003, and aluminum in 2008.
 
....., if anyone made a quality knife with a 3-½" sawtooth blade, then I would be all over that, if only because I find them aesthetically pleasing...
yeah, there's something distinctive
about having sawteerh on a knife.
obviously no two ways about 'em
its either a turn on or not.
personally, i find the concept of
the hollow handle "survival kit"
pretty cool which adds to the draw.
(admmitedly though that its mostly crap or rather, the included kit's poor product quality leaves a lot to be desired).
anyway your review was a fun read.
in fact i would have been
so entirely sold on the ramster
had they just added
a cut slotted compartment on
the handle for a genuine sak tooth pick and mini twizzer. ;-)
but imho,
knifenuts deserve the real thing.
so hang in there.
i m sure there is a genuine buckmaster out there somewheres
at a give away price
with your name in it.
thanks for the reminder
on what hobby collecting
should be like... a painless joy!
hobbies should come cheap and affordable no matter the size of pockets.
honestly, its not a hobby
and no longer fun
the moment one get in
way over one's head over
with the accounting.
 
Ummm...don't think so. According to the catalogs, it was titanium when introduced in 2000. Zytel came along in 2003, and aluminum in 2008.

You are right. My mistake on the years is because what appears to be an error on the Cold Steel Catalog Archives site:
Clicking on the year 2000 Catalog, this opens up:
So it shows 2009 instead of 2000.

I didn't even notice the year is wrong until now.
Maybe you have a better/different catalog site? Or at least the 2000?
 
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You are right. My mistake on the years is because what appears to be an error on the Cold Steel Catalog Archives site:
Clicking on the year 2000 Catalog, this opens up:
So it shows 2009 instead of 2000.

I didn't even notice the year is wrong until now.
Maybe you have a better/different catalog site? Or at least the 2000?
I downloaded the catalogs years ago. Strange how that link is wrong...must be fairly recent.
 
A few months ago I purchased this interesting knife for just over $40 online. Initially it was purchased as a novelty knife, so my expectations of it weren't by any means high, but it has since surprised me.

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The Rothco Ramster Survival Kit Knife is a Taiwanese clone of the Buckmaster 184. The Buckmaster 184 has some pretty interesting history behind it that's worth looking into if you're interested, but the short version is that it was designed with the US Navy Seals and produced by Buck Knives. It was fielded and tested by the Navy Seals, but never formally adopted. However, the design shares a lineage with the M9 Bayonet, which was the ultimate result of feedback from the Navy after having tested both the Buckmaster 184 and later the 185 which was a full tang design.
The Buckmaster 184 consisted of a 7.5" clip point 440 stainless steel hollow ground blade with two separate types of saw teeth on the spine designed for cutting through rope and even sheet metal attached to a hollow stainless steel handle by a threaded bolt, held in place with a nut and a generous amount of epoxy. Although such designs are thought to be inherently weak, the Buck 184 is not known to have any issues regarding separation of the blade from the handle. In fact, those spikes on the hand guard were -- according to the patent -- designed to allow the knife to function as a Grappling Hook capable of supporting up to 600 pounds of weight. However, Buck themselves openly advised consumers against use of the Buck 184 as a Grappling Hook for obvious reasons, and has stated that they were ultimately intended to be used as anchors to help the Seals resist ocean currents while remaining in fixed positions. Regardless, the knife is obviously built strong.

Forgive me for mostly speaking of the Buckmaster 184, but being a clone, the Ramster shares most of these specifications in common. The only real differences between the two is that the Ramster has thinner blade stock and the exact composition of the steel is unknown, as it isn't listed anywhere in specific, not on the box, not on the blade, nor even on Rothco's website, but I suspect that it's something cheap like 3CR13 or 420J2.

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I've wanted an authentic Buckmaster 184 Survival Knife since I first laid eyes on one, but unfortunately they've been out of production since 1997, and they tend to be rather expensive on the used market. Some say that you can find one for cheap if you shop around long enough, but I'm not quite devoted enough to search as long as it takes to find one that's 100% complete that isn't $400+ and in decent condition. Plus, if I were to obtain one, then I wouldn't really be comfortable using it for anything.

The Rothco Ramster, while obviously not on the same level of quality as the original Buckmaster 184, is actully a functional knife. Granted, I didn't buy it with any intensive or practical uses in mind to begin with, but if I'm going to buy a knife, then I want it to be able to function as one, not merely as a paperweight. The Ramster has an MSRP of $57.99, but generally goes for closer to $40, with my example costing a mere $41.99 on Amazon. For $50ish, my overall experience with the knife has concluded that it's worth it. The knife is sharp right out of the box, feels sturdy, and the overall fit and finish is good. It's well machined, the bead-blasted finish is even, (although it appears to have worn a bit around the edges of the hand guard due to the loose packaging allowing the knife to shift around inside of the box) and everything is tight as it should be.
My only complaint is that the blade grind is extremely uneven at the tip, so much so that at a glance I actually thought that the tip was bent because the grind is so slanted on one edge compared to the other that if it went any farther then it would be a chisel grind. Regardless, it still cuts well, and for the price, I really can't complain too much.

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In addition, the sheath is of good quality as well, although it's all plastic and nylon, (just as it was for the genuine Buckmaster 184) so it's nothing spectacular to begin with. The accessories that make up the kit are also pretty good, but again, they're all just inexpensive odds and ends.

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There are some videos on YouTube by a channel called Survival on Purpose which has tested both the Rothco Ramster and the original Buckmaster 184, and the Ramster appears to be a decent alternative to the Buckmaster 184 (for lack of anything better) based on those tests.

Some may think that this knife is silly, and not without merit, but I personally think that it's really cool. (Well, except for the name, that is silly -- sounds like a cross between Rambo and Hamster.) Of course, I grew up in the 90s and I'm a shameless fan of 80s/90s Action Movies and Video Games, so I have no issue admitting that I find it awesome. So if folks want to make fun of me for it, then have at it, I'm a grown man, I like what I like.


is the blade bent over and not straight on yours as in looking at it topside with blade down wards.......curious as I've seen one of these recently out of the box brand new had a crooked cut blade tang into handle and was bent or leaning to one side a bit.......

other than that wasnt too bad.....
 
is the blade bent over and not straight on yours as in looking at it topside with blade down wards.......curious as I've seen one of these recently out of the box brand new had a crooked cut blade tang into handle and was bent or leaning to one side a bit.......

other than that wasnt too bad.....

My particular example isn't bent at all, it merely appeared so at first compensators glance due to an extremely uneven grind on the edge of the blade. If viewed from the spine, it's perfectly straight, it only appeared bent at the very tip of the blade when examining the edge because the grind is so off-center at the tip that if it were any more slanted it would be a chisel grind.

That being said, being a relatively cheap knife made in Taiwan, your mileage may vary due to lax quality control, and thus you might find one in better or worse condition than mine.
In addition, the blade is made from an unspecified Stainless Steel which going by the advertised rockwell hardness rating, isn't very hard, ergo it is most likely an inexpensive steel which is on the softer side for the sake of easy sharpening at the factory, (but also for the end user as a fringe benefit) most likely 3CR13 or 420J2 Stainless Steel. So it isn't entirely out of the question that one could be bent during shipment, or otherwise by an irresponsible user.

It's important to realize that often times cheap/inexpensive products are treated/regarded as disposable by certain folks, and thusly are more likely to be abused/mishandled by the end user, ergo instances of seemingly irregular damage/wear are inflated by instances of Bubba treating it with neglect as well as with a blatant disregard for safety/responsibility. So a bent blade could be because Bubba attempted to use it as a prybar or otherwise decided that he wanted to test its strength/hardness by burying it into a tree stump then twisting/prying on it to see if it will bend. Bubba wouldn't dare attempt such a thing with a Randall, a Chris Reeve, or even a Buck knife for that matter, but he'll do it without a second thought with something cheap, then share the pics online and tell everyone about what a piece of junk it is because it failed a "test" that an otherwise expensive/high quality blade would have never been subjected to in the first place.
 
My particular example isn't bent at all, it merely appeared so at first compensators glance due to an extremely uneven grind on the edge of the blade. If viewed from the spine, it's perfectly straight, it only appeared bent at the very tip of the blade when examining the edge because the grind is so off-center at the tip that if it were any more slanted it would be a chisel grind.

That being said, being a relatively cheap knife made in Taiwan, your mileage may vary due to lax quality control, and thus you might find one in better or worse condition than mine.
In addition, the blade is made from an unspecified Stainless Steel which going by the advertised rockwell hardness rating, isn't very hard, ergo it is most likely an inexpensive steel which is on the softer side for the sake of easy sharpening at the factory, (but also for the end user as a fringe benefit) most likely 3CR13 or 420J2 Stainless Steel. So it isn't entirely out of the question that one could be bent during shipment, or otherwise by an irresponsible user.

It's important to realize that often times cheap/inexpensive products are treated/regarded as disposable by certain folks, and thusly are more likely to be abused/mishandled by the end user, ergo instances of seemingly irregular damage/wear are inflated by instances of Bubba treating it with neglect as well as with a blatant disregard for safety/responsibility. So a bent blade could be because Bubba attempted to use it as a prybar or otherwise decided that he wanted to test its strength/hardness by burying it into a tree stump then twisting/prying on it to see if it will bend. Bubba wouldn't dare attempt such a thing with a Randall, a Chris Reeve, or even a Buck knife for that matter, but he'll do it without a second thought with something cheap, then share the pics online and tell everyone about what a piece of junk it is because it failed a "test" that an otherwise expensive/high quality blade would have never been subjected to in the first place.
yeah as I said out of the box brand new, i saw it in person not on the internet, it was bent to one side but due to an uneven cut on the blade by the tang into the handle and how it was factory set. no Bubba was involved. unless the guy working in Taiwan on this production lines name was Bubba, which I doubt.

other than that very poor quality, it wasn't bad.
 
That sounds a bit like; "Except for the pain and blindness: I'm not too bad off." 🤣
it means the rest wasn't all that bad. could have been all bad and I wouldn't be afraid to say it, if it was true. if ya dont know me yet, Bobby, know this I'll call it out when i see it.
 
Bad enough: is bad enough!
not the point Bobby boyo. if you have that as your take away, okay.

if the grinds were bad or the bevels were bad or the sheath or finish or anything else...I'd have mentioned it. they weren't.

the op's knife was determined to not have the same issue as the one I saw firsthand. his had off grinds though. one I saw didn't. for someone planning on buying one they might appreciate our firsthand feedback on the two we have seen firsthand.

that cleared up..... okay get back your jokes now...everyone enjoys them.......I know I do......
 
Quality Control is what it is. If a product isn't inspected off the assembly line, then irregulars will get boxed up/shipped out, find their way to a consumer, then most likely will get reviewed or otherwise reported, often times more often than quality examples are.

It's unwise to assume that most examples are identical to a bad example, or that overall quality is lacking across the board when a product remains in production, continues to be sold, and doesn't otherwise receive a large amount of negative reviews.
Generally speaking, poor quality products quickly gain a bad reputation, sales suffer, production slows, and eventually the production either gets discontinued or the issue gets addressed/fixed.

If you're interested in the Ramster, then I say roll the rice. They're inexpensive, and if you get a bad one, then you can always report it here yourself. I'm merely sharing my own impressions based on my example.
 
Does anyone know if the CI Japan 1280 Buck 184 clone was better than this Tiwain Ramster?
 
However useful, there is a patent from the mid 80s. Do we know if Rothco licensed the patent ? Any respective notes on the packaging ?

Funnily enough, the hooks are not included in the product pictures from Rothco.

Just wondering,

Roland.

ramster is most likely
a product from kantas.
perhaps the boys from taiwan
have the answers you seek ;-)
btw, back in the day
there were a number
of copycats
 
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