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There really is only so much the mods can do. The frequency of thread locks seems to be decreasing, but I think it still happens at too high a rate for the forum. I'm not complaining about the mods for thread locks, more like, the culture of users who frequent the forum and how we provide feedback.

Jeff sort of regularly chews people out for sticking their foot in their mouth and that is fun to see. It should happen more often and by more users when thread drift and negativity starts to insinuate itself into a thread. As much as mods have power, abusers like to play up the martyr/victim role for getting chewed out. It helps when several people, in a polite but logical language, try to steer a person out of their bad trajectory. In the end, this place is about social networking and peer pressure really works. How about we all play a bit of hall monitor role when reading threads.

As a critique of the ESEE forum, I often see comments in other forums about this forum being overly 'clicky'. It is legitimately very difficult to look outside of 'the club' mentality, because people become friends and learn each others habits and sense of humour and play off of that. But that vibe, if overly strong, can be off putting to outsiders and I do say that the ESEE forum has formed a reputation of this outside. Obviously the mods are aware of this and this is part and parcel of the many thread locks here. Again, this isn't something that mods need to police more of, it is something that should be reinforced beween the users. Think, even for two or three seconds about all those snappy, but inherently useless, replies. When the insider jokes swamp out the thread content it becomes a total drag.

Again, the way to combat this is having a friendly outlook and inviting nature. Try to respond to new people's posts and welcome them to the forums. Even if we have seen somebody's striking their firesteel into a PJCB for the 1000th time, try to recall how new it was to you when you experienced that joy for the first time and give them their pat on the back for their work.

A subforum like ESEE is a challenging one because it has so many goals and objectives. First and foremost, this is a forum to provide information about ESEE products. But what makes the place special is the owners are less concerned about schlocking their wears and use the forum for actual communication about broad issues from survival to politics. This is why I keep coming here and don't frequent other manufacture forums which are really just advertising vectors and fanboy hangouts. I think it is a great place. I think it can be improved still and there are core contributors who can make a big difference by helping improve the place. Just like pick up the trash in your favorite park. Pick apart the trash in your favorite forum :)
 
You know how the Himalayan Imports forum has a off-topic chat forum that's above the regular subforum, you get to it the same way you get to the cove? Well I thought that Esee knives forum could have the same thing, except it'll be a place to put contests and challenges. So If it's your 1000th post and you wanna give something away you can do it there. Same would go for monlthey give a ways. It would cut a few threads down I believe. Just my 2 cents.
 
I never go on the chat thread here since it is just too much BS to try to go through. I liked KGD's ideas. I'm guilty as anyone else when it comes to hijacking threads but I try to get back on topic as fast as I can and answer the serious side of the thread. The point is, personally, I never want this forum to lose it's "campfire" atmosphere. There are WAY TOO MANY serious knife discussion forums on here. We are serious about our gear but getting too serious about discussing only knives and gear bores the living hell out of me, and you'll probably see less and less participation from me if we decide to go the serious route only. In the end, whatever rules and changes Tony, Katie and Mike come up with, I will abide with them just like everyone else. This is their forum to run and we rarely make any suggestions to them on how to do their job.
 
KGD has some good points. We are a pretty tight knit group for an internet forum, consisting of a lot of total strangers, but as members, we need to make an effort to welcome the newer members and yes that includes answering “Should I get a 3 or 4” ! I always make an effort to do that because I did it when I was new and the responses and welcome I got made me stick around and I’ve learned a lot of cool stuff here.

I visit other forums where people are WAY too serious about whatever the topic is. Look at it this way, how many times can you think of that there was a heated debate between members of ESEE forum? Not a lot that I can think of. Most people realize we’re pretty laid back but there’s a lot of good infor here as well. If they’re too arm chair commando or whatever and only want to be serious all the time, they probably won’t hang out long.

If I want to do research on serious, hardcore gear selection, I go to a specific forum for that. I hang around ESEE forum because I like the knives and gear they produce, and because there is a SKILL and KNOWLEDGE focus, not just the owner of the company pimping whatever their new product is.
 
But we do like to pimp.... Hell, I was gonna post up some pics of my old warlord Land Cruiser but yall have scared the shit out of me and I'm afraid I'll get banned if I do!
 
I do agree with the "campfire" atmosphere, and as a total newcomer it was pretty helpful with people giving their opinions on the whole RC5 vs 4 and so on.

Also I think that the skill and knowledge is pretty cool too, I love seeing picture threads about people's trips and the knives they used, and maybe what they used them for.

EDIT: and how Jeff and Mike are constantly contributing, thats just so cool, and certainly adds to the forum
 
Dissolve the Rat Pack; a number does not prove anything, your participation does.

Don’t limit yourselves by setting the standard that you "will give away a free knife every month" If you feel like giving a knife/gear away, just give it away, and base it on what ever you value.

Throw more contests that are in line with the ethics of ESEE (as subjective as they may be)
 
Maybe we have taken the forum a bit too far but I always considered this forum to be about travel, gear, dangerous places, knives, guns and everything else that brings us together as a group of like interests. I really enjoy Reuben's pics of all his travels even though they may not have a knife in them. IMO, knives are lowly tools that are secondary - nothing more than a support tool for the bigger picture (and most of the time NEVER needed). If we do nothing but a knife forum here then I will quit because only talking about knives is the most boring and useless thing I can do. My knives are no different than my boots, socks, pants, shirt, vehicle, etc. They are made to support what I do, not the other way around.
 
I never go on the chat thread here since it is just too much BS to try to go through. I liked KGD's ideas. I'm guilty as anyone else when it comes to hijacking threads but I try to get back on topic as fast as I can and answer the serious side of the thread. The point is, personally, I never want this forum to lose it's "campfire" atmosphere. There are WAY TOO MANY serious knife discussion forums on here. We are serious about our gear but getting too serious about discussing only knives and gear bores the living hell out of me, and you'll probably see less and less participation from me if we decide to go the serious route only. In the end, whatever rules and changes Tony, Katie and Mike come up with, I will abide with them just like everyone else. This is their forum to run and we rarely make any suggestions to them on how to do their job.

I very much agree. While I know some of us have tighter bonds with certain people I like to think that we're open and inviting enough to make everyone feel welcome and able to participate. If anyone has a problem they don't feel comfortable addressing in the open forum I'm always available via email. Don't feel like you can't approach me about anything (within reason).
 
Jean J. Lautréamont;8094690 said:
Dissolve the Rat Pack; a number does not prove anything, your participation does.

Don’t limit yourselves by setting the standard that you "will give away a free knife every month" If you feel like giving a knife/gear away, just give it away, and base it on what ever you value.

Throw more contests that are in line with the ethics of ESEE (as subjective as they may be)

We're just going to rename it. It's not getting dissolved. There's a reason for everything.
 
Maybe we have taken the forum a bit too far but I always considered this forum to be about travel, gear, dangerous places, knives, guns and everything else that brings us together as a group of like interests. I really enjoy Reuben's pics of all his travels even though they may not have a knife in them. IMO, knives are lowly tools that are secondary - nothing more than a support tool for the bigger picture (and most of the time NEVER needed). If we do nothing but a knife forum here then I will quit because only talking about knives is the most boring and useless thing I can do. My knives are no different than my boots, socks, pants, shirt, vehicle, etc. They are made to support what I do, not the other way around.



That was my main problem with what happen during your time on Ratchat a knife is just one part of your gear, it isn’t the ethics or the ideology of survival. SO when someone is breathing down my throat about "Keep it about knifes".... I can cut shit with my knives; I personal value your experiences and what you’ve gained from them, I want to know how they have shaped your ideas in regards to socialization as well as just remaining alive. That is why I would actively pursue a convo with you, not to ask the same questions you’ve answered 85 times prior. These experiences are what keeps me coming back here, I mean jesus I know nothing about Optics and reading that really informative post about binoculars the other day, educated me. This place is full of individuals that know so much more about specific things which I have no experience with; they act as teachers, which is the main value I find in here. This is a school that prepares me for application.
 
Thank you for your time doing ratchat Jeff, and thank you Shotty for hosting chat.
Not saying I don’t value Ratchat...lol just clarifying before im possible misunderstood.
 
But we do like to pimp.... Hell, I was gonna post up some pics of my old warlord Land Cruiser but yall have scared the shit out of me and I'm afraid I'll get banned if I do!

Jeff Randall: The face of pimpin' in Alabama.

But we ENJOY giving knives away here

Any we enjoy groveling and doing tricks (maybe I should rephrase that) for them.

I love giving away things that don't cost me money! :)

Spoken like a true wife.
 
Jean J. Lautréamont;8094690 said:
Dissolve the Rat Pack; a number does not prove anything, your participation does........

But then I will have to change my sig line!:eek:
 
You know how the Himalayan Imports forum has a off-topic chat forum that's above the regular subforum, you get to it the same way you get to the cove? Well I thought that Esee knives forum could have the same thing, except it'll be a place to put contests and challenges. So If it's your 1000th post and you wanna give something away you can do it there. Same would go for monlthey give a ways. It would cut a few threads down I believe. Just my 2 cents.
i like this idea, it would really cut the clutter and have a place for us regulars
:D :thumbup::thumbup: :foot:
Started a gear thread here.

i got it, lets make it a sticky!
just kiddin :p :eek:
 
I try to post on all new person threads and say welcome....
The pack perception has been overly stated & over rated.... we are an outdoor family of sorts and a few folks take the RP thing to an extreme, I enjoy the group ID would not change it but to me it just means we are an outdoor family enjoying life outdoors.
 
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