The Ugly - James Thomas

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Posted 7 Damascus Mnandi's for sale and the first reply was from JamesThomas saying in for the Bog Oak. Contacted him and he asked for a few days to get the money together. Nearly 3 weeks later I PM him to find out what is going on. He PMs me back and says he can buy a new one for almost the same price and is not going through with the deal. (New one $600 My price $525) I left negative feedback and he retaliated with negative feedback.
 
No money exchanged hands, no knife was shipped, so no deal was made, so I don't think negative feedback was warranted from either side. Yeah, it sucks when someone says they'll "take it" only to have them flake on you. You miss out on a lot of potential sales this way, holding a knife for someone. Such is life... If anything, a neutral feedback should have been given instead.
 
  1. would you hold this knife until I can sell another CRK I’d really like to purchase it.

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    peterbrightSerial MonogamistPlatinum Member
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    Yes - About how long do you think? Post you want it in the thread and I will hold for a reasonable amount of time.

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    Awesome thank you! Shouldn’t take too long to come up with the funds.

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    peterbrightSerial MonogamistPlatinum Member
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    Great

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    peterbrightSerial MonogamistPlatinum Member
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    Send me your address so that I can get the knife boxed and ready to ship.

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    peterbrightSerial MonogamistPlatinum Member
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    What's happening?

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    How’s it going I was thinking about the blade and price and it’s almost priced as much as a new one so I’d rather just buy it new.
 
This is, unfortunately, fairly common, at least in my experience. It's like some buyers don't actually expect their offers to be accepted. Why make one and then change your mind or disappear??? Classless humans...
 
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I know it sucks, but it happens. It's happened to me many times and I just put that member on ignore so I know not to deal with them anymore. You can always re-list it and I'm sure it will sell again. Negative feedback is reserved for transactions that actually happened and knives/money have exchanged hands.
 
I would not agree to hold a knife for anyone. I would offer right of refusal- if someone doesn't have the cash or isn't sure, then I'd be happy to let them take as long as they want to decide or raise the cash, and give them the first shot if another buyer comes along and a reasonable amount of time to decline.

EDIT: How long did you agree to hold it for?
 
It's a strange thing to enter into any online deal in my opinion. You have to have trust in each other for any deal to take place effectively.
First, it's a contractual agreement based on an "I'll take it". It's your word..If your word means anything, then you honor your commitment to the best of your abilities.
We all have life events that come up, so there should be some flexibility on backing out of a deal..Make sure that event is worth the crap you will get for backing out should it come up later.

Here's the deal for me- I would rather be able to quickly search out people that have done this..Once, I can probably overlook, but if they are making a habit out of it? No. Next buyer. Sorry, your word doesn't seem to mean much to you, so how can I TRUST that you are not going to be one of the many flakes found in the GB&U?

In this particular instance, there was no deal except time and a good deal of it when the buyer could have just as easily have notified the seller that they had simply changed their mind.
Communication within a reasonable timeframe..Do it or it may well cost you. There have to be consequences for action or inaction.

Let that sink in- Consequences. Someone may well get to keep their negative feedback.

@JamesThomas ; This thread is about you.
 
OP - you should have made it crystal clear for exactly how long (days/hours) the guy wanted you to hold it for him AND for hong long you could and were willing to hold for him. This might be a lesson learned.

As others said, no deal done, so no feedback (neutral or negative). Thats just how the BF system works.
 
Fully understand your being upset but neither you nor James should have left the negative feedback(by rule). When I hold a knife for someone the one thing I ask for is that they let me know if they change their mind for any reason. I don't mind holding the knife, I will even suffer the loss of other sales if they pull out(I will get it sold), but I hate being left in limbo, due to their inability to man up and let me know they don't want the knife. Same goes for I'll take it's that I never hear from again. You can pull out, but don't waste my time waiting for you and then tracking you down. If you aren't going to buy the knife you aren't going to buy the knife, and there is nothing I can do about that, but there is something the buyer can do to make it as painless as possible-let me know.
 
I have held knives for members three times here on the sales forum. Each time the person backed out. I now take the pessimistic attitude that if they don’t have the money now, they most likely won’t have it in the future either.
 
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I have held knives for members three times here on the sales forum. Each time the person backed out. I now take the pessimistic attitude that if they don’t have the money now, they most likely won’t have it in the future either.
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I'm with ya. The last one I held for a week while the buyer was selling another knife to raise funds...the week goes by and I send a message to ask if they're still interested. They respond that they sold the knife and bought something else, durp-durp-durp. Never again.
 
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No money exchanged hands, no knife was shipped, so no deal was made, so I don't think negative feedback was warranted from either side. Yeah, it sucks when someone says they'll "take it" only to have them flake on you. You miss out on a lot of potential sales this way, holding a knife for someone. Such is life... If anything, a neutral feedback should have been given instead.
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Feedback, it has repeatedly been said, is not to be given in the BF system of feedback under these facts.

Respectfully, negative comments here AND negative feedback is certainly "warranted." There was a "deal"- a "transaction"' - as the world, and the law out in the world, understands those words. Out in the world, breach of contract is frowned upon. Try not paying on eBay and see. Here, a slimeball "buyer" can avoid negative feedback, if not recognition in GBU, simply by refusing to pay.
 
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Thomas Linton said:
Feedback, it has repeatedly been said, is not to be given in the BF system of feedback under these facts.

Respectful, negative comments here AND negative feedback is certainly "warranted." There was a "deal"- a "transaction"' - as the world, and the law out in the world, understands those words. Out in the world, breach of contract is frowned upon. Try not paying on eBay and see. Here, a slimeball "buyer" can avoid negative feedback, if not recognition in GBU, simply by refusing to pay.
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Yeah, but you don't leave negative feedback unless a transaction has been made here on BF. This is not ebay. Was it warranted, probably. I understand that and "I'll take it" is unspoken "contract" to buy, so to speak. But as I understand it, feedback is not given unless money has exchanged hands for goods.
 
Hold for 24 hours TOPS - and in my thread I would say that this is "SPF pending funds" - then
edit/update after 24 hours that the knife is still available. Not reasonable for anyone to expect more.

Of course the seller/I could decide that this particular buyer is stellar and will be true to word,
but that's my gamble and then any negative feelings/response is all on me.

As you know know - negative feedback by either party here was unwarranted and not by the book.

Ray
 
I hope this post is not too off topic, but I'm fairly new to buying on the exchange and as of late, I've been slowly starting to use the exchange more so I have a couple questions about feedback and how it works given the appearance of this thread and another similar thread that was started when a seller withdrew an item and the buyer started a thread as a result. My questions are as follows:

My understanding is that the rules for the exchange on BF state that feedback is only warranted when money/items exchange hands. If nothing is exchanged, then no deal took place so therefore no feedback is warranted. Is this true? Your last post in this thread bhyde bhyde kinda threw me; is this still the blanket rule under which certain instances are eligible for mod review on a case by case basis or is it still the case that the rule is firm with no exceptions?

My second question is, if the "no deal, no feedback" rule is upheld, is it still permissible to start a thread or make a post about the lack of follow through on a buyer or seller's part without leaving any feedback? Currently my understanding of the situation is that it's allowed, but generally speaking, in poor taste (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Just wanted to restate, I'm still new to this part of BF and I'd like to take the opportunity to learn as I just want to make sure I'm abiding by the host's rules while under their proverbial roof.
 
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I hope this post is not too off topic, but I'm fairly new to buying on the exchange and as of late, I've been slowly starting to use the exchange more so I have a couple questions about feedback and how it works given the appearance of this thread and another similar thread that was started when a seller withdrew an item and the buyer started a thread as a result. My questions are as follows:

My understanding is that the rules for the exchange on BF state that feedback is only warranted when money/items exchange hands. If nothing is exchanged, then no deal took place so therefore no feedback is warranted. Is this true? Your last post in this thread bhyde bhyde kinda threw me; is this still the blanket rule under which certain instances are eligible for mod review on a case by case basis or is it still the case that the rule is firm with no exceptions?

My second question is, if the "no deal, no feedback" rule is upheld, is it still permissible to start a thread or make a post about the lack of follow through a buyer or seller's part without leaving any feedback? Currently my understanding of the situation is that it's allowed, but generally speaking, in poor taste (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Just wanted to restate, I'm still new to this part of BF and I'd like to take the opportunity to learn as I just want to make sure I'm abiding by the host's rules while under their proverbial roof.
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No transaction, no feedback. You can come into GBU and W&C and whine and complain all you want though!
 
Chariotz4 said:
I hope this post is not too off topic, but I'm fairly new to buying on the exchange and as of late, I've been slowly starting to use the exchange more so I have a couple questions about feedback and how it works given the appearance of this thread and another similar thread that was started when a seller withdrew an item and the buyer started a thread as a result. My questions are as follows:

My understanding is that the rules for the exchange on BF state that feedback is only warranted when money/items exchange hands. If nothing is exchanged, then no deal took place so therefore no feedback is warranted. Is this true? Your last post in this thread bhyde bhyde kinda threw me; is this still the blanket rule under which certain instances are eligible for mod review on a case by case basis or is it still the case that the rule is firm with no exceptions?

My second question is, if the "no deal, no feedback" rule is upheld, is it still permissible to start a thread or make a post about the lack of follow through a buyer or seller's part without leaving any feedback? Currently my understanding of the situation is that it's allowed, but generally speaking, in poor taste (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Just wanted to restate, I'm still new to this part of BF and I'd like to take the opportunity to learn as I just want to make sure I'm abiding by the host's rules while under their proverbial roof.
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For the most part, no deal transpires, no feedback rating should be given..I touched on the fact that flaking out on a deal is getting to be more commonplace..You can say "I'll take it!" in as many threads as you want and not have any repercussions for it. Mostly anyway. Someone can start a GB&U thread.. Most do not start a thread on it.
Where does this leave us? Right here; No consequences..What?!?! No..Not always. I'm going to say, "that depends". If there are no consequences for being a serial flake, then there is no incentive to keep your word. As I stated earlier..It takes trust on the part of two people to make effective transactions..and a HUGE part of that is YOUR WORD.
There have been a number of times where I wanted to back out on a transaction, but in every single case, MY WORD means more to me and also to the members of this forum that I am going to carry through with what I said I was. Changing your mind willy-nilly is not a good reason to cancel a transaction.

In this particular instance, I am likely to remove feedback for both users and issue a warning..Perhaps with points. The chiclets are free to me, but the cost to you is much greater.

READ and re-read, COMMUNICATE and FOLLOW THROUGH.
As you may have gleaned from the previous paragraph, my word means an awful lot to me and it should to you too. Be the adults your supposed to be because I am not beyond giving chiclets out for breaking your word either.
 
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