The Urban B.O.B

[crossada]

I have purification tabs for my day bag because they are easy to carry around. For my main bag i splurged and bought the katadyn pocket filter.
http://www.katadyn.com/en/katadyn-p...ter-endurance-series-produkte/katadyn-pocket/

In a city though where water could easily become contaminated from chemicals and other nasty stuff what would be better? Purification or filtration? I've always heard purifying was better.

 

[cnas122]

I still don't understand the silencer

 

[Les Snyder]

kage... no, sorry... I've used the " V" jaw nail puller on a Wonder bar to break fence, but a parallel cut with a chop saw just slightly larger than the diameter of the wire should produce a more efficient cut... if you could get the makers of the WonderBar to drill a 1/4 inch hole just below the curved head, and attached a Sawzall wood and hacksaw blade, that when opened would bear against the curved head you could probably sell them to people in earthquake country...haven't tried drilling mine or making the cut, but think it is a pretty good project....it was a concept I thought about from a GHB tool thread on another forum

 

[T.O.M.]

I still don't understand the silencer

What's not to understand? Sure it's illegal to have, but what's that going to matter when SHTF? I'd imagine it would come in handy if you would ever need to shoot.

 

[stealthchaser13]

I still don't understand the silencer

well, would you rather produce a loud BANG!, or a little pop?

 

[dogboye]

Wouldn't strolling around with an obviously military style pack, post disaster, in an urban environment, make you a serious target?

Pretty much anyone that saw you is gonna think "that guys got stuff".......

I think anyone strolling around with a backpack is going to be as much of a target as a military style. Backpacks scream "stuff" period. Might as well go cheap with surplus.

 

[dogboye]

I still don't understand the silencer

Silencers are a good thing. Everyone should have one. And don't believe what you hear; they aren't silencers, just suppressors. The just bring the bang down to something that is less catastrophically damaging to your ears. And they aren't illegal (in most places). They just require extra paperwork. Heck, I'm considering going to the hassle of getting one for my home protection gun, rather than deafen my family if I ever have to use it. If you have a gun, you SHOULD have a suppressor, in spite of what the sheep would have you believe.

 

[DennisStrickland]

supressors are becoming quite common in texas. even some of the younger hunters are using them.[ 12 to 16]. if you are sqeeky clean record wise & willing to pay the special liscence fee you should qualify. i'm not sure if they can be bought for less than 700$ we are seeing them used in hog control since most hogs hit high gear after a shot.one problem with city water is that many chemicals & toxins ca'nt be boiled or filtered out. certain insecticides like methyl parathion are difficult to separate from water & not effected by boiling.biological problems can be addressed but insecticides & nerve agents mean hit the rural areas. consider also the many petroleum products associated with urban environments.certainly water is the most important ingredient in any bug-out scenario.---dennis

 

[scout_77]

I have a question for toughs planning on the use of a silencer: How do you plan on carrying the pistol with it on? I mean, if you need to used the gun you most likely wont have time to stop and attach it before shooting, and if you are using a backpack, keeping the whole thing back there will make it hard to get to when you need it, and walking down the street with it in your hand will only bring bad things. So do you have a shoulder holster set up for it or what?

 

[cnas122]

What's not to understand? Sure it's illegal to have, but what's that going to matter when SHTF? I'd imagine it would come in handy if you would ever need to shoot.

Makes it more difficult to carry around on your person and/or takes up more room in your bag. If you carry it on your person, do you have a holster that will accomodate it? Are you going to keep it attached all the time? If not, and someone jumps you, are you going to say "hold on buddy...let me screw this on"? I'm not dissing you for mentioning it, but don't really understand the practical application.

 

[blake g49]

3 days worth of food and water is probably a good MINIMUM for the "go" gear, but two or three WEEKS worth if a good idea to have on hand at home. while i've seen some lists cite 2wts per day for water, that ain't much in a place with warm weather. i'd say that 1 gal per day is the minimum and that's not leaving you much to wash yourself or do dishes with. 5gal MWCs (GI water cans) are good for storing water at home.




umm... if you're planning on remaining in Kali, the suppressor won't be an option (at least not legally), and the 32rd mag will probably be a pain to get. the "happy sticks" are harder to lug around than standard mags.

Factory hi-caps for the 92FS/M9 are 20 rd - not sure where you might find 32 rounders or who might make them (quality issues???)...


blake

 

[CWL]

I have a question for toughs planning on the use of a silencer: How do you plan on carrying the pistol with it on? I mean, if you need to used the gun you most likely wont have time to stop and attach it before shooting, and if you are using a backpack, keeping the whole thing back there will make it hard to get to when you need it, and walking down the street with it in your hand will only bring bad things. So do you have a shoulder holster set up for it or what?

Don't worry, he doesn't even own a gun for it.

 

[scout_77]

Don't worry, he doesn't even own a gun for it.

I'm not loosing any sleep or anything, just wondering. I have both a GHB and a BOB, both are for different things. I like learning what people have and use, I have times during my day job were I have plenty of thinking time and was wondering if people had fully thought it through or if the high CDI factor was driving it.

 

[kage]

Hey Les, thanks for the info. I may try the side cut on a flat bar and see how well it works on chain link.

Good idea on the recip saw blade also. I keep a Stanley folding saw that uses the same saw blades and in the handle I keep wood, metal, and carbide saw blades. Might be fun to make the mod and see how well it works.

What size Wonder Bar are you using?

 

[River-8]

Lots of great ideas here!

My tendancy is to connect equipment/gear with (drum roll) A Plan.

Things like a simple reunification plan whether at home, work, in town, a theater, mall (ok; not gonna happen with me) or wherever - "Hey, if something (earthquake, fire, civil unrest, etc.) happens lets meet at: primary, alternate, alternate/alternate."

Same with a simple communications plan: Cell phone (unlikely in a significant event), out-of-area contact (often long distance might work when local service is down), Amateur Radio (my favorite) - Frequencies, Repeaters, etc., even FRS/GMRS...

Could prattle on (but won't (thankfully)) about layering gear !

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[Shotgun]

Not much difference between a woods bag and a city bag, you still might be sleeping outside and in the elements.

I would worry most about drinkable water, proteection from the environment and bleeding (first aid). Keep equipment to stay warm, dry, healthy and hydrated. Don't worry so much about the rest. Focus on preparing to spend a day or two in your car, in a hotel, or in the woods, you never know where you might end up.

I'll second this post. Although I could see a small tool kit being a good addition to your woods kit to make it more urban useful.

 

[ROCK6]

Makes it more difficult to carry around on your person and/or takes up more room in your bag. If you carry it on your person, do you have a holster that will accomodate it? Are you going to keep it attached all the time? If not, and someone jumps you, are you going to say "hold on buddy...let me screw this on"? I'm not dissing you for mentioning it, but don't really understand the practical application.

I think that's a valid question when you ask about practical application. I've used suppressors before and planning to purchase a couple. I wouldn't use a suppressor on a defensive weapon...it's just too cumbersome. As a discreet hunting weapon, it would excel. If you were specifically patrolling an area, I could see the need, but suppressors add length and unless you have a specific application, it's best to use them when you need them...again, for me that would be hunting. You could even target practice without attracting much attention. I really want one just so I can shoot the damn beavers in my lake with something more than a .22LR

ROCK6

 

[Shotgun]

I think that's a valid question when you ask about practical application. I've used suppressors before and planning to purchase a couple. I wouldn't use a suppressor on a defensive weapon...it's just too cumbersome. As a discreet hunting weapon, it would excel. If you were specifically patrolling an area, I could see the need, but suppressors add length and unless you have a specific application, it's best to use them when you need them...again, for me that would be hunting. You could even target practice without attracting much attention. I really want one just so I can shoot the damn beavers in my lake with something more than a .22LR

ROCK6

Hunting is my thoughts too. No matter how bad it is, shooting a duck or goose in a local park will attract attention and depending on the severity of the crisis, you could have police or even the National Guard show up to ask you what the heck your doing and probably detain you. If I'm defending my life I WANT to attract attention.

 

[fixer]

What's not to understand? Sure it's illegal to have, but what's that going to matter when SHTF? I'd imagine it would come in handy if you would ever need to shoot.

the problem here is that "you imagine" not "you've done".

consider for a moment that if you get caught with that little item, it's gonna be ten years, and $10,000 not counting legal costs. and when you're found guilty, you'll be a convicted felon and not able to legally own guns any more.

a lotta risk for the chance that it may come in handy in the event you need it. the last MAJOR events that i can think of in Kali would be SF on '06, Kern in '52, San Fernando in '71, Loma Prieta in '89 and Northridge in '94

so that's somewhere between 5 and 46 years between major events. probably not good enough odds to warrant the risk of having it in a BOB.

if you're got something that your state doesn't allow. keep it stashed securely. better yet, just move someplace where you can legally have the goodies that you can't have in Kali!

now then, if you lived someplace where a suppressor was legal, i still wouldn't sugest it for BOB use. they're long and get hot quickly. kinda hard to have one on a gun in an IWB holster, would be VERY slow to draw from concealment.

on a long gun or SBR, no problem. if you can afford it and do it legally, no argument against them for defending the home.

and if you're on the move and things are sketchy... other people may be shooting without them. people in general tend to move AWAY from gunfire, or at least not move towards it. so if you're moving from wherever you are when things happen to wherever you're going... i'm not gonna be to concerned about a litle noise.

completely different scenario if you're hunting or something. probably not a good idea to me making noise then.

 

[dogboye]

I have a question for toughs planning on the use of a silencer: How do you plan on carrying the pistol with it on? I mean, if you need to used the gun you most likely wont have time to stop and attach it before shooting, and if you are using a backpack, keeping the whole thing back there will make it hard to get to when you need it, and walking down the street with it in your hand will only bring bad things. So do you have a shoulder holster set up for it or what?

I personally would have to see how big it is. Then it depends on the time of year, the environment, etc. I might carry it in a hip holster. But I resent the term "toughs". Tough has nothing to do with it. It is a practical attachment to a firearm that enhances it's utility. "Toughs" sounds like a term a "progressive" would use.

But MY primary interest in a suppressor is for use at home, in the house. Not on the street. I don't entirely buy the whole auditory exclusion, although I have experienced a mild form of it with "buck fever." but that was outside, with a long arm. Inside? In a house? I don't know about that. And what about my family? It will be bad enough even with the suppressor. I'd hate to think about without it.