There are to be no further postings of the "jerkit" smilie on this forum.

Yeah, I like to play by the rules usually....doesn't mean I always like them though.

Personally I think the jerkit ban is silly and schoolmarmish. Just take a look at some of the other avatars and other 'off color' pics that get posted here....come on everyone :rolleyes: get over it.
 
thatmguy said:
No pal, it is about common courtesy and maturity. Sorry, nowhere in life’s rules does it say you get to do whatever you want whenever or wherever you want to. Get over it, and grow up. You respect the rules of someone’s house when you visit.

I never said people should do any of the things your scared of here. I was speaking about the basis for the jerk it smile being banned. I never spoke of lifes rules. I have remained more civil in this conversation than you. I will continue to set a example in that regard.


Where exactly has this occurred? Take your drivel somewhere else if you cannot show exact citings of this. “Absurd”, “book of myths”, now you have to offend people?? Get a clue pal….

Search again its there and recently too.


Free speech? Not here, you are a guest of BladeForums, a private enterprise. Within that, it says that each subforum can set and enforce its own posting guidelines. This is ours. And as far as I know, it is the only rule, and it is not only our forum that has "prohibited" it..... The "no vulgarity" guideline is Blade Forum wide except in specific sub forums.

Where did you get this free speech stuff? I never claimed we had it here.
Clearly we don't. Thats whole point of this thread? I know my post made you mad its obvious from your post, please take a deep breath and read what I wrote with out over laying so much emotion on it. I pretty clearly said I did not dispute the forum owners right to set rules and moderators right to issue infractions. Sorry if I was not clear enough.



Strange, I did a search for “blasphemer”. Not one single citing was based on religious foundation. If you can find otherwise, please show us. Otherwise, get your facts straight before making sweeping statements. Will work wonders for your credibility…. And I'm sorry you don't realize your whole post is exactly you disputing the rights...

I should probably let you take some time to re-think that last bit. The entire
concept of blasphemy is a religious issue. Give anyone a warning lately for using the word... D***? Is that word bad? if so for what other reason than religious edict?

One again I am not disputing the forums owner or moderators from enforcing what ever rules they like. I am simply expressing my opinion that perhaps those wanting to ban the Jerk it smiley don't have the moral high ground.

The fact that some folks can not talk about that possibility with out anger and pointing fingers bolsters my argument that it is based on religious intolerance.

What else would you call it???

Expressing a opinion. Which by the way is the entire point of a discussion forum.


Don’t know why this is such a big button for you, but you should chose your salient points such that they have some substance versus just your opinions….

As opposed to your post? Just for fun count the thinly hidden "insults" to me and then the "facts" in your post and see which is the greater number?


I explained in my first post why this is a issue for me. No need to do it again.

Me too….
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My text got mixed in with yours! Sorry poor use of the Quote function.
 
So, since you made the allegations, the burden of proof is on you sir.

Moral high ground? Where does that even come from?? When, where, who?

Make me mad? Nah, just don't know why a bit of respect to the desired audience of this forum, and numerous others, cannot be had by some people who feel they should be able to post at will.

"Scared of here"?? Right.

Where did I get the "free speech stuff"?? Directly from your "Committment to free speech..." statement.

But you are disputing the rights of the owners, both of Blade Forums, and each Manufacturer's sub forum, to set rules, guidelines, and enforce them.

If you can't see that is what you are doing, well, there's a bigger problem than banned smilies... and it isn't in the forum or it's rules.

And, again, every use of "blasphemer" I could find dealt with nothing religious, no matter what the origin of the word. In context, nothing religious any of the times.

Again, your allegations, your burden of proof.
 
rt014 said:
Yeah, I like to play by the rules usually....doesn't mean I always like them though.

Personally I think the jerkit ban is silly and schoolmarmish. Just take a look at some of the other avatars and other 'off color' pics that get posted here....come on everyone :rolleyes: get over it.
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Good point... I agree with Justabuyer on some of his statements..
I like Busses and that is why I participate in this forum. .. All the other childish BS is disregarded by me.. I still do have a good laugh at the intensity of some, but I keep my mouth shut so I don't offend anyone.. :foot: I Fu%king hate censorship but ya gota protect the kids right?? :D
 
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Your mileage may vary:

Free speech is important, but so is common courtesy. Courtesy is what lets us talk about Busse knives here without lots of distractions and side issues - discussions about double cut vs. coated devolving into personal attacks, vicious screeds against people who have Mad Dog knives alongside Busses in their pics, etc. etc. etc. (note the two examples are actual threads that did not have any off-topic nastiness, but could have if people really wanted to be jerks).

Courtesy reinforces free speech. First, it lets ideas and counter-arguments be heard. Second, courtesy preserves the impact of strong words. F*** is powerful when your mother smacks you silly for whispering it, but not so much when it's on every billboard, TV show, and radio station.

The jerkit smiley seems to say "You're a complete idiot and I don't care about what you say." In my experience, this is rarely true on the Busse forum since most people have useful points to make. In those cases when it is true, ignoring the individual involved is often the best course of action.

Specific points in this thread:
As far as the scotch drinking, it's not family-friendly, but it doesn't generally hurt the discourse. It does come from the top, and Jerry gets to play by his rules on his forum. Also, it is something of an inside joke that adds to the camaraderie on the forum. It probably makes 'ganzas and the like somewhat uncomfortable for people with personal or family alcohol problems and I'd hate to think we're glamorizing alcohol for the sub-21 Busse fans out there.

IMHO, I don't think the religious argument is going to go anywhere. I highly doubt anyone's mind is going to be changed. With that in mind, I'd like to see it go to a different forum (Whine and Cheese) where the participants can just slug it out. I don't see the Busse forum as religiously intolerant, despite the wide range of views, and I don't want this discussion to poison the well.
 
thatmguy said:
So, since you made the allegations, the burden of proof is on you sir.

But you are disputing the rights of the owners, both of Blade Forums, and each Manufacturer's sub forum, to set rules, guidelines, and enforce them.

If you can't see that is what you are doing, well, there's a bigger problem than banned smilies... and it isn't in the forum or it's rules.

And, again, every use of "blasphemer" I could find dealt with nothing religious, no matter what the origin of the word. In context, nothing religious any of the times.

Again, your allegations, your burden of proof.
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Most recently somebody in a thread used the term G** D*** and progunner said he could do with out the blasphemy. There is is one example. Trival, and only one but if we are playing silly Internet logic games I win plain and simple. Accusing someone of blasphemy is the same as calling them a blasphemer which is darn silly thing to say in the Internet even if your drunk or speaking in tongues. But so what...its the Internet.

Now let me be as clear as I can... I support this forums right to have rules.
I also value my right to say when I think they are bad rules.

Can you understand that the two statements don't cancel each other?

Did you notice where i used **** in place of letters? You have no idea how much I hate not being able to talk about this like a Adult because I know somebody would pounce on me if I used the actual words even in the context of this disagreement.

I am done. /unsubscribe
 
Folks, friends, this is not about freedom, rights or religion:confused:

It's about being an ass to someone by using that smiley...why be an ass, just ignore them if people here get to you so bad you wish to use that on someone.

It ain't gonna change folks so stop whining and get over it!

Mods- Please move this CRAP to the whine and cheese please!
 
thatmguy said:
Free speech? Not here, you are a guest of BladeForums, a private enterprise. Within that, it says that each subforum can set and enforce its own posting guidelines. This is ours. And as far as I know, it is the only rule, and it is not only our forum that has "prohibited" it..... The "no vulgarity" guideline is Blade Forum wide except in specific sub forums.
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...and the smiley in question is a construct - a tool of Bladeforums. If it were inconsistent with Spark's thinking, presumably it would not be offered as part of the lexicon.

If the S/N ratio on the Busse subforum were a little higher, your argument might hold a little water.

If this thing is your idea of "vulgar"... geez, it's hard to know how to even react to that. :)
 
Again, It Ain't Gonna Change!

Why whine about it:confused: Just take to the W&C if you want to whine about something you can't change. This isn't the place for it. It Ain't Gonna Change, move along.
 
Again, for the millionth time, it was implemented after many requests by many readers, posters, and members of this forum.

It is not now, not has it ever been based on me, my beliefs, my attitude, desire to rule the world, oppress people, implement arbitrary rules, or any other reason other than it was what numerous people requested, because either they were offended, or yes, their children :eek: saw it and they did not want their children exposed to that concept.

Really to bad some of you cannot seem to comprehend this....:rolleyes:

And to tsiloics, the vulgarity reference is to complete words, not "constructs".
 
thatmguy said:
And to tsiloics, the vulgarity reference is to complete words, not "constructs".
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Okay. I'll just take that at face value and hopefully not get banned from this blasted place again. :)

I come here out of interest in the knives: That is all.

It gets a little difficult from time to time, watching some of the bufoonery that goes on... but of course the lesson is to accept things for what they are worth; and to avoid making things into that which they are not.

No hard feelings. :)
 
Why was this thread even started? Just so people could get in an arguemnet about it? I'm new to this forum, comparatively and I figured out it was a rule pretty quick. I dont really think anything is lost not using the smiley.

ThatMguy, I think it was big of you to try to explain it to people, but you're just spinning your wheels. Anybody silly enough to get this worked up about the banning of a questionable smiley probably isn't going to be swayed by logic...
 
In real life I use the jerkit action to mean something doesn't matter. I guess I'm using it wrong. Someone will say "but if we do that, then this insignificant thing will happen." I reply "*jerk it action*, so what?" It's not offensive. It's just my "eh, whatever" or "big deal(sarcastic)" action. I guess the key is I only do it to people who agree that the insignificant thing is no big deal. If you thought it was really important, and I did the action, then you may be upset because I belittled your thoughts.

But I agree, rules are rules. They don't want it, don't do it. I'm sure you don't lose THAT much from the meaning of your post.
 
Well personally I think that is is EXTRA gay that there is even a thread dedicated to this. This is rediculous all this "maturity" and "respect" "politeness" talk. What the F*** ever who really cares is it really that big of a deal get over it and grow up your kids will learn it in school in 2 years anyway. Just my opinion.
 
thatmguy said:
Again, for the millionth time, it was implemented after many requests by many readers, posters, and members of this forum.

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How about a nice fair poll then,

BTW... 11,069 posts and 1,000,000 times of telling the kids no, would be around 90 times per post. :D
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