THings you'd like to see

I'd like to see some in depth info on group dynamics in a survival situation.



and a little flip-book illustration in the lower right hand corner of a lady doing a strip tease.:thumbup:
 
G'day RR

RescueRiley said:
in a survival book???
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I don't know if this is possible, but the only "survival" book I'd be interested in reading is one that focussed on the knowledge & skills of the indigenous peoples who lived in particular areas.

IMO, there are simply no more knowledgable people in the art of survival for any given area, than the indigenous people of that area who literally did it for a living :thumbup:



Kind regards
Mick
 
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Talfuchre,

And it wouldn't be until the last chapter that she covered "How to make clothing when you have none.":D

DancesWithKnives
 
I find a book like Cache Lake Country to be the perfect learning medium. Most of us have read Rutstrum, Lundin, Mears, Nessmuk, and Kephart, and really won't be surprised by much found in a book by the "experts".
If it were up to me, I'd like the book to be journal style to keep the reader in anticipation, but with lots of good skills included, with diagrams, pics, etc. Like, as I said, Cache Lake Country. One Man's Wilderness is similar, but he doesn't go into detail with how-to's.
Takes someone who's walked the walk to write, but then again, I wouldn't want it any other way.
Another cool idea would be to get a sh!tload of big brains together and have them do up a "best-of" collaboration type thing, except that they'd have to each add things that none of them have written about before.
Mears, Mors, Hood, Randall, and Lundin or whoever could make a series of book in the vein of Survivorman (but with more experience & skills)Book 1 - Boreal forest, Book 2 - Southern US Deserts, Book 3 - Canoeing, etc....
 
I like the spread of things this one covers, an Aussie classic:

http://tions.net/CA256EA900408BD5/vwWWW/outdoor~03~000

I would like to see more on good edged tool selection in your normal survival guide, although I hear Kochanski does this well. Clothing seems to be another area worthy of getting down pat. Lastly, I'd like to see as comprehensive as possible a section of finding water in arid environments.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
I would like to see more materials that can be made into natural cordage. Most books only give a few kinds, and often times you can't find the damn plants mentioned.

More of a long-term situation thing, but I'd love to see a book showing how to recreate primitive technologies. How to build/make tools, find and work metals primitively, etc...a visual how-to of recreating the progression of technology through history.
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http://www.primitiveways.com/

http://www.flight-toys.com/primitive.html

http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/
 
SouthernCross said:
G'day RR


I don't know if this is possible, but the only "survival" book I'd be interested in reading is one that focussed on the knowledge & skills of the indigenous peoples who lived in particular areas.

IMO, there are simply no more knowledgable people in the art of survival for any given area, than the indigenous people of that area who literally did it for a living :thumbup:
Kind regards
Mick
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Or for a dying. http://www.primitivism.com/easter-island.htm
 
texastonydobbs said:
...I would like to see a Chapter on Knives, how to use them in different angles of "how to hold them" for this task with less fatigue to fingers, wrist etc. I mean common sense tells you how to hold a knife, but no one every explains the different grips to use for certain bushcraft skills, small game etc. I know how to use my knife effectively but am I using it correctly, I'd just like to see more depth of useage of Sharp tools,knives,axes, etc.
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I know you've probably already seen or have this... but it sounds an awful lot like Mors Kochanski's (Northern) Bushcraft. To my knowledge he's done by far the best job of codifying in a single book the skills and techniques you mentioned.
 
texastonydobbs said:
This may sound dumb ,but I would like to see a Chapter on Knives, how to use them in different angles of "how to hold them" for this task with less fatigue to fingers ,wrist etc. I mean common sense tells you how to hold a knife,but no one every explains the different grips to use for certain bushcraft skills, small game etc.
I know how to use my knife effectively but am I using it correctly , I'd just like to see more depth of useage of Sharp tools,knives,axes, etc. just because I would not like to pass on bad habits to my son or friends. I guess that came out right ?
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schlotskey said:
I know you've probably already seen or have this... but it sounds an awful lot like Mors Kochanski's (Northern) Bushcraft. To my knowledge he's done by far the best job of codifying in a single book the skills and techniques you mentioned.
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Mors does a really good job in that book, and I learned a lot reading that as a newcomer to proper knife use, but I'd like to see more as well. Especially when it comes to various grips and the tasks in which they excel. For instance, I don't recall Mors going into detail about the chest lever grip, but I find that to be one of the most useful grips on a knife when carving stuff.


I'd like to see more emphasis on first aid and emergency medicine, especially in a well prioritized format. It seems that many of the books I've read glance over basic life saving techniques but spend a ton of time on how to weave a bowl or which plants are poisonous on the other side of the world. I'd like to see survival books update their medical info, prioritize it clearly for newbies, and present the info in a way that will really facilitate people remembering it and applying it under stress. I think I like Lundin's 98 degrees so much, because in general, he prioritizes things very well. For example, I don't want to know the medicinal values of 50 plants identified by crappy pictures or cartoons; I want to know how to restore breathing or stop the bleeding most effectively AND I want to know how to manage it until help arrives (or for the long run if it's a long term situation).
 
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SouthernCross said:
G'day RR


I don't know if this is possible, but the only "survival" book I'd be interested in reading is one that focussed on the knowledge & skills of the indigenous peoples who lived in particular areas.

IMO, there are simply no more knowledgable people in the art of survival for any given area, than the indigenous people of that area who literally did it for a living :thumbup:



Kind regards
Mick
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That assumes that your goal is sustainability, not rescue. For example, if I'm stranded on a deserted island, knowing how inhabitants of similar islands are able to live there would be good to know, but won't get me off of that island, which may be equally important.
 
G'day Scouter

scouter27 said:
That assumes that your goal is sustainability, not rescue. For example, if I'm stranded on a deserted island, knowing how inhabitants of similar islands are able to live there would be good to know, but won't get me off of that island, which may be equally important.
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No, it assumes my goal is staying alive. If I can stay alive for extended periods, I can stay alive for short periods. The reverse is not always the case :D




Kind regards
Mick
 
SouthernCross said:
G'day RR


I don't know if this is possible, but the only "survival" book I'd be interested in reading is one that focussed on the knowledge & skills of the indigenous peoples who lived in particular areas.

IMO, there are simply no more knowledgable people in the art of survival for any given area, than the indigenous people of that area who literally did it for a living :thumbup:



Kind regards
Mick
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This is where things start to be confusing, for me anyway.

That's just it, the indigenous people are just "living" they are not surviving.
I don't even think you can call it bush crafting if it's your normal life. Its just life.

Maybe it's because English is not my first languages, I read more into the term "Survival".

For me a "Survival situation" is when you have to do something, that you would not normally do, to not die. In a situation that you are not normally in (And you never want to be in).

When I tried to read the meaning of your post, and not just the words.
I read: I (Mick) like to read a book about the primitive lifestyle of the non-urban people, and how they use their surroundings to make a daily livelihood for themselves..

Did I get that right ??

Which have pretty much nothing to do with survival (The way I understand it).

I wonder if I'm the only one who are having some trouble with the terms frequently used here.

How I understand the terms, roughly:


Indigenous people born in the woods and living in the woods = Making a living.


White people (or others ;) ) Born in the city, with a life and history in the city, going out to stay for a limited time (1 hour or maybe a few years) in the woods = Bush-crafting.


A person in danger of dying (on the sea, in the jungle or Tarzan in the London subway.) in a situation beyond their will and control. = Survival


And by woods I mean woods, jungle, field, what ever :)
 
we are divergin into semantics here, But my personal definition of bushcraft is the practice of skills that primitive people did in there everyday life.... Hunting, foraging, trapping, making pottery, and baskets, making cordage and shelters.. making fire... to name but a few.
 
G'day Hawkings

English is my first language and I still get confused with the criteria I've seen applied to the term outdoor survival (which is what I think we are discussing here) :D

Hawkings said:
When I tried to read the meaning of your post, and not just the words.
I read: I (Mick) like to read a book about the primitive lifestyle of the non-urban people, and how they use their surroundings to make a daily livelihood for themselves..

Did I get that right ??

Which have pretty much nothing to do with survival (The way I understand it).
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Yes you have interpreted my meaning correctly :thumbup:

I guess my thoughts can best be summarised as follows:

(1) Outdoor Survival is staying alive, as simple as that.
(2) IMO, if you can make a livelihood (and all that encompasses) from what nature provides with a few basic tools, then your in the best position to respond to unexpected threatening situations without being overly reliant on gear. In other words, IMO you are best prepared to stay alive in a "survival situation" irrespective of how long it lasts.

Bear in mind this is only my opinion, and others are perfectly entitled to their own opinions on this.


Kind regards
Mick
 
To me,

Bushcraft = Practicing the skills indigenous live by

Survival = Applying the fundamental bushcraft skills like shelter, food and water provision when you really need it

To me survival is a small part of bushcraft with all the emphasis being on immediate survival, and bushcraft is that plus all the "craft" ie making things as well as the broader aspects of plant usage and hunting.

Anyone else think the same?
 
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