Thinking about a 710 (But went with an 810)

jpm2 said:
mcflyfyter,
Every time one of these "right tool for the job" comments is made, or "no need for one hand operation, pocket to pocket", I'm always tempted to explain all the unexpected situations I encounter in my line of work, and why it's not possible to have all the tools on me I might possibly need, nor practical to stop work to get a tool that might be more appropriate for the job when what you have will work just fine.

Those who aren't familiar with, or do this type of work can never understand, don't waste your time.
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May I ask what line of work you are in?
 
Industrial electrician/instrumentation. I specifically respond to, trouble shoot, and repair machine breakdowns.
 
Understood. It is a little different when you are dealing with downtime, and don't get to go home because the clock strikes 5. I guess some people are paid to walk around and look for the perfect tool, and some are paid get stuff done in a timely manner.
 
Get a good fixed blade if you want to pry stuff. I have the 810 and it is not that sturdy. I don't know how much mad animal stabbing you do, but I wouldn't stab full force with any type of folder, I value my digits too much.

Also, if you save 5 minutes by wrecking a somewhat costly knife, you are not coming out ahead. Maybe you are the guy who tries to tighten nuts with a dial caliper, because a wrench is way over there?
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Also, if you save 5 minutes by wrecking a somewhat costly knife, you are not coming out ahead.
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The rest of the your post was mostly your opinion, except for the jab about the "mad animal", and I'm really not even certain what that is.

I'm just curious as to why you think that I wouldn't come out ahead by saving a client money? If you were a business man and someone gave you $400, and all they wanted in return was a $150 knife, you would be unhappy? If I could get constant returns like that I would quit my job, and sit on a beach somewhere breaking knives for entertainment.
 
I do commercial AC and refrigeration. When working on a walk in box with $50,000 worth of frozen food time is critical for each repair. I am STILL not using my $300 gauges as a hammer to save a couple of minutes......but to each their own.
The ONLY time I would mis use an expensive tool is if I do not have that tool at all and would have to stop working and go buy it somewhere.....after hours when no supply houses are open. Just get it done somehow! Otherwise, no.
Joe
 
mcflyfyter said:
I understand what you mean now, the 710 is much more efficient at piercing. Like you, a knife is far from my primary defense tool. I have to disagree with you again about the 710 being better for stabbing a mad animal. You are just thinking about 1 stab, and the amount of effort it would take, and not really finishing the thought. Flesh is easy to pierce, and I'm pretty sure we can both agree on that. If I had to be stabbed by one or the other, I would pick the 710 in an instant. The 710 would be a smaller and cleaner wound versus the 810's larger more of a tearing wound that bleeds faster, and is harder to stitch up.
Is 1 stab going to instantly stop the animal? Possibly, but what if it doesn't? What if the first stab hits a bone? The 710 would be at a major disadvantage because it would be deeper in the bone. Not only that, but you can pull out with much more force with the 810 if you were to hit bone.
With that said, I would absolutely choose the 710 to pierce one of those impossible to open clamshell packages. I'm not trying to start a pissin' match, just pointing out that being an efficient piercer may not mean it is always a better piercer. In a way, you could liken it to 9mm vs. .45acp.
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mcflyfyter said:
The rest of the your post was mostly your opinion, except for the jab about the "mad animal", and I'm really not even certain what that is.

I'm just curious as to why you think that I wouldn't come out ahead by saving a client money? If you were a business man and someone gave you $400, and all they wanted in return was a $150 knife, you would be unhappy? If I could get constant returns like that I would quit my job, and sit on a beach somewhere breaking knives for entertainment.
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It was quoted from your own gibberish about stabbing things.

Now you are going to throw away $150 to make a measly $400? Business is about profit, and making $250 instead of $400 is bad business.
 
palonej said:
I do commercial AC and refrigeration. When working on a walk in box with $50,000 worth of frozen food time is critical for each repair. I am STILL not using my $300 gauges as a hammer to save a couple of minutes......but to each their own.
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I wouldn't use even a $50 set of gauges for a hammer, so what's your point?
 
My 810 finally stopped shaving today, so I decided to try a touchup. 25 strokes on the brown sharpmaker stones, and it was shaving. I hit them 10 or 15 more, and maybe 15 on the whites. I can't believe this edge lasted so long and was incredibly easy to sharpen. I am impressed.
 
I take part of that back. I just realized that the angle at the tip is greater than the rest of the blade. The last 3/8" at the tip gets back beveled on the sharpmaker. Kinda sucks that the angle isn't constant.
 
mcflyfyter said:
Have you ever struck an object with something other than a hammer?
Have you ever used pliers on a hex head bolt?
Have you ever pried with a screwdriver?
Have you ever removed a staple with anything other than a staple remover?
Have you ever blown your nose with toilet paper?

If you answered yes to any of these, my point is proven.
If you answered no to all of these, you are a liar.
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jpm2 said:
mcflyfyter,
Every time one of these "right tool for the job" comments is made, or "no need for one hand operation, pocket to pocket", I'm always tempted to explain all the unexpected situations I encounter in my line of work, and why it's not possible to have all the tools on me I might possibly need, nor practical to stop work to get a tool that might be more appropriate for the job when what you have will work just fine.

Those who aren't familiar with, or do this type of work can never understand, don't waste your time.
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Yes I\ve done a great many of those things and regretted it more times than not... So to JP I totally understand using the wrong tool in a pinch, and have learned that when I do these things Its never to my benefit. Often I ruin the tool and the thing I was working on ... So now I walk back the first time, and then I learn from my mistake and make sure I have what I need the next time.

I get paid very well for what I do and for my ability to learn from my mistakes. :) Of course having a daughter who rides horses means I don't get to keep much of any of if it.

Anyways enjoy your knife. :D
 
I'm pretty sure nobody wants to talk about that aspect of this thread anymore. Those that get it, get it. Those that don't make silly examples of things that either won't work, or will obviously break a knife. I carried the same knife for nearly a decade and I never broke it. That is because I choose my blades wisely, and I'm not and idiot and know it's limits.
 
Same here. Carried only 1 knife for 15+ years and used it for everything. Except for very worn G10 scales, it still works like new.
I can't afford to break things in my line of work, gotta do it right the 1st time.
To Rapt, I never use the wrong tool, just alternate ones. :)

A good knife is capable of much more than most people realize.
 
I finally got some rust on 3/4" off the blade edge. I went tubing for an hour and a half, and never dried it afterwards. I am still very happy with the Contego, and have no desire to look further. I tore down a heavy oak pallet with it, and it is as strong as any folder can hope to be.
 
Great thread about 710 vs. 810. Is there someone noticing that the liner of 710 is obviously thicker than that of 810? So, could this difference makes 710 tougher in the corresponding performances, e.g. the collapse strength of liner?
 
The Contego is still hanging in there. I do wish it had a blade a little softer than m4, but that's really my only complaint. It's also getting quite slick from wear, but luckily the shape provides a good grip itself.

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