Thinking about open-carrying a dagger

I used to open carry a Doberman. Then I realized I didn't want my dog to get hurt so now I have a Komodo Dragon. Nothing says "leave me alone" like a pet dragon. :)

I hope I can interject this snark now. :oops: Is seems as thought his thread has run it's course.

I will say that when I would walk my 110 pound Doberman at night that people really did keep their distance. I know pits get all the attention but people genuinely seem wary of Dobies for some reason. Mine have all been big babies.
 
craytab said:
Unless your dog can shoot this simply isn't true. Sorry.
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Well I know a fair number of police officers and am related to a DEA agent, NYC detective, and two Dublin PO. They would all disagree.

My NYC uncle, detective, says the best protection for a person is a dog and a whistle. Except for someone who is trained, and he means real training, not an hour at the range every so often. Now that he's retired, he carries a hammerless revolver so he can shoot through his jacket pocket.

I was also told the same by a PO giving a talk to my firm on home security. You're more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than any intruder. Worse, your gun is more likely to be used in a suicide than on an intruder. At the sewer plant I used to work at, a worker blew his brains out in the men's room. I grew up with someone who killed his brother accidently with a pistol and worked with a man who's brother shot himself accidently with his deer rifle...he was a VT country boy, no city slicker. I'm not against guns, just a realist with life experience.

I'm pretty sure if I had my pit in the car, I wouln't have been car jacked in front of my home in broad daylight. Guess who rides with me now :) Being car jacked showed me that w/o tactical training a normal person wouldn't react in time for a gun or knife to be useful. The cop who got my car back agreed. I still ordered and bought an ACTF from Terzuola, just to make me feel secure. After about 5 years I did a great trade for a more useful EDC :)

I still carry a Matriarch, autoStryker or Spyderco P'kal to feel secure, but I have no delusions about knife fighting. Having self confidence on the street is important, if you don't act like a victim...its also good if they think you're a little crazy, who wants to deal with a paranoid knutjob :)
 
bearfacedkiller said:
I used to open carry a Doberman. Then I realized I didn't want my dog to get hurt so now I have a Komodo Dragon. Nothing says "leave me alone" like a pet dragon. :)

I hope I can interject this snark now. :oops: Is seems as thought his thread has run it's course.

I will say that when I would walk my 110 pound Doberman at night that people really did keep their distance. I know pits get all the attention but people genuinely seem wary of Dobies for some reason. Mine have all been big babies.
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Over time different breeds have been "the bad boys". In my lifetime it was first German Shepherds, then Dobermans, followed by Rottweilers and now Pits. In the real world, one year weiner dogs were the most vicious according to the insurance industry dog bite claims, but you can kick them off :)
 
Not much use in worrying too much about the very small chance of meeting up with a full blown dead end berserker . Massive biomechanical damage / death is the only effective stopper for that nightmare . Very rare because they are rapidly removed from circulation .

Most others have some fear , pain aversion and survival concern -however much they may pretend otherwise .

The hardest fears to ignore are the most primitive and instinctual . Violent criminals most fear the type person and/or animal that they suspect will respond to aggression with unreasonable ferocity and absolute commitment . Weapons ,even claws and teeth, per se aren't scary without the WILL .

Predators seek victims to feed upon . They don't want to get hurt fighting . There's too many easier meals available , why take a risk ?

I don't expect my dogs to do the whole job of protection , but they certainly serve a vital role .
 
brownshoe said:
Well I know a fair number of police officers and am related to a DEA agent, NYC detective, and two Dublin PO. They would all disagree.

My NYC uncle, detective, says the best protection for a person is a dog and a whistle. Except for someone who is trained, and he means real training, not an hour at the range every so often. Now that he's retired, he carries a hammerless revolver so he can shoot through his jacket pocket.

I was also told the same by a PO giving a talk to my firm on home security. You're more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than any intruder. Worse, your gun is more likely to be used in a suicide than on an intruder. At the sewer plant I used to work at, a worker blew his brains out in the men's room. I grew up with someone who killed his brother accidently with a pistol and worked with a man who's brother shot himself accidently with his deer rifle...he was a VT country boy, no city slicker. I'm not against guns, just a realist with life experience.

I'm pretty sure if I had my pit in the car, I wouln't have been car jacked in front of my home in broad daylight. Guess who rides with me now :) Being car jacked showed me that w/o tactical training a normal person wouldn't react in time for a gun or knife to be useful. The cop who got my car back agreed. I still ordered and bought an ACTF from Terzuola, just to make me feel secure. After about 5 years I did a great trade for a more useful EDC :)

I still carry a Matriarch, autoStryker or Spyderco P'kal to feel secure, but I have no delusions about knife fighting. Having self confidence on the street is important, if you don't act like a victim...its also good if they think you're a little crazy, who wants to deal with a paranoid knutjob :)
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Nope. I'll take the gun over a dog all day long.
 
craytab said:
Nope. I'll take the gun over a dog all day long.
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It physically pains me to agree with you about anything, but on this I'm with craytab. I have dogs and love them, but when you're talking about protecting my own life or the lives of my family members give me a firearm every time.

I may be biased though. As I'm typing this I have a Walther PPS M2 on my person, and I'm sitting in my own home office.
 
I will take the gun and the dog.

I do not expect my dog to take someone down. I do not want my dog to get hurt either. If things ever get ugly I am stepping in to protect her. Either in my home or on the street I am fairly sure that my dog will give me the time and the opportunity I need. I do not see a dog as a solution by itself but it sure will help me do what I need to do. Together we are formidable combination.
 
craytab said:
Unless your dog can shoot this simply isn't true. Sorry.
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This!

Unless your dog is unusually talented enough to pass the range qualifications to get his CW, he's actually a liability under some circumstances. Most people love their dog. Some bad guy points a gun at your dog and says 'drop your wallet and cell phone and walk away,' what are you gonna do?

A dog is just another target to shoot for some people. I don't care how big and bad you think your pit bull or rottie is, with a 9mm through his head he's done.
 
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jackknife said:
This!

Unless your dog is unusually talented enough to pass the range qualifications to get his CW, he's actually a liability under some circumstances. Most people love their dog. Some bad guy points a gun at your dog and says 'drop your wallet and cell phone and walk away,' what are you gonna do?

A dog is just another target to shoot for some people. I don't care how big and bad you think your pit bull or rottie is, with a 9mm through his head he's done.
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True ,of course . But many people WILL hesitate to shoot until it's too late or just not have enough warning or room to react . The right kind of dog has no such inhibition for violence and will not be as easy to stop as you might believe .I've seen where guard dogs have taken multiple gunshot wounds and still finished the job . Bad guys are much more worried by a formidable dog than an armed but timid human . Many people arm themselves with the notion that they can bluff and never have to follow through . Bad idea ! Best is human and dog working together in a trained response .
 
I know a rescue pittie that had a 9 mil taken out of her chest when it was discovered during an x-ray she had after being hit by a car. Neither the bullet or the car seemed to affect her much. Tuff dog.--KV
 
Although i agree with the absurdity, what's even more absurd is many repliers here defend the carrying of a metal baton and bustin it out when a crowd of people attack you outside a bar.

Absolutely hilarious.
 
Drink at home. Cheaper, less assholes, and no risk of getting busted driving home (because you're already there).
 
Pomsbz said:
The maintenance is more than stropping a knife but you have a point there. :) Deterrence is a great way to ensure you are not chosen as a target potentially circumventing the problem in the first place. Question though, out of pure ignorance of the subject (thank G-d), does visible deterrence matter to those whose minds and psyche's are chemically affected? Can their brains compute the logic of not starting with a big dog? I think the most worrying factor of preparing for trouble (for me at least) is the inability to rely on common sense or logic on the part of a would be attacker.
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Most people no matter how high they are there are people they know not to mess with. They may feel more brave on a substance like alcohol, but there are still things that will likely put a halt on their actions. (Especially a gun) Some people do get so drunk that they stop paying attention to those signals, usually young inexperienced drunks who haven't got their teeth kicked in a few times already trying to fight inebriated.

There are other drugs like speeds or coke that can make a person liable to commit violence. They are usually hyper alert though and will likely try to avoid danger. It can make them paranoid and may put them in a mindframe where they feel they have to attack for their own safety. Yet still there are drugs that essentially put users catatonic, but they won't be much of a threat.

Finally there are special cases like PCP. Best to avoid these guys.
 
Guys on speed will usually take preventative measures... Clip your brake lines, booby trap your natural gas lines... Shit like that.
 
Charlie Mike said:
Guys on speed will usually take preventative measures... Clip your brake lines, booby trap your natural gas lines... Shit like that.
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Or stare at you from across the street. Then you leave. For the rest of the night that tweaker will think you are following them.

(Make sure not to lock eyes)
 
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