Thinking about open-carrying a dagger

W. Anderson said:
My point is that you don't get to dictate who carry weapons and how, hell, not even the police do, really. Prepare accordingly and expect the worst. You can fantasy-land this all you like, but criminals are going to carry concealed. I don't like it either, but it is what is is. If your gonna carry lawfully I don't see why anyone in their right mind would want to advertise that they are armed, either.

Edit: Off duty cops generally carry concealed.
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I'm with you W.Anderson. Why should I have to advertise im packing.
 
GermanyChris said:
I can hang with one dumb SOB carrying a gun when you add one or two more dumb SOB's is when I get concerned.

I don't get to dictate how many dumb SOB's carry a gun but I'd prefer them carry open like cops do so I know how many threats I need to deal with to GTFO of any situation.
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GermanyChris do you carry a gun or knife? Is it open carried?
 
I have to advertise I'm packing. Can't conceal a fixed here.

I'm not about to buy/carry a gun (even though I'm now a non-felon). As a veteran with a diagnosis of PTSD, I'm quite leery of having my name connected to firearm ownership.

 
Charlie Mike said:
I have to advertise I'm packing. Can't conceal a fixed here.

I'm not about to buy/carry a gun (even though I'm now a non-felon). As a veteran with a diagnosis of PTSD, I'm quite leery of having my name connected to firearm ownership.

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As veteran with PTSD and collects a check every month because of it I'd prefer to know who threatens me and mine. :D

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Look I care not one iota if you carry a gun, push dagger, knuckle duster, or any other pacifier I just want to know what your carrying because I don't believe you have the training to employ most of those weapons with any real skill no matter what your state says.
 
the same should apply to you Germany Chris.
I dont think the police should carry guns either. They are issued Glocks Why becuse any idiot can operate a Glock
How do you know who has training? Charlie Mike served his country. The US army makes everyone a rifleman and combat ready before anything else. So i would say a vetran has more than enough training to handle that kind of situation
I have first responders/EMT training.
I have completed the same driving courses as our law enforcement is required to do
I have completed all skydiving classes. I can jump just about as high as any plane will take me. All of that takes a great deal of mental control and nerves. Who are you to say who can and cannot asses a situation and act apporopeatly


Sorry guys i type fast and no spell check
 
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Charlie Mike said:
I just don't want to be on any more "watch lists" than I'm already on ;)
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You're on all the important ones :p

The reality is dumb grunts are never given the benefit of the doubt unless other dumb grunts are in the decision chain. When I got out I went to work for the Army in Germany fixing pin spotters, I went on to running a club. I was hired in my current job because I spoke grunt, my boss was a retired Infantry officer and needed to get the local green hatted kids to follow the regulations so he hired a bunch of grunts. We eventually got not only the green hatted army kids to follow the rules but the special navy kids to do the same. The fortunate part is I've never had to adapt to real civilian life and my sand hill, light infantry personality has actually benefited me.

The reality is that had I tried to go from the Army to a real civilian I'd either be that drunk SOB on the street that everyone ignores or I'd have put a bullet in my brain.

In the end I love the Army and all it's given me and would do what I do for free just to stay where I'm wanted and understood.
 
W. Anderson said:
My point is that you don't get to dictate who carry weapons and how, hell, not even the police do, really. Prepare accordingly and expect the worst. You can fantasy-land this all you like, but criminals are going to carry concealed. I don't like it either, but it is what is is. If your gonna carry lawfully I don't see why anyone in their right mind would want to advertise that they are armed, either.

Edit: Off duty cops generally carry concealed.
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So do all manner of plainclothes LEO .
 
W. Anderson said:
Nothing wrong with going black powder...
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Ultimate concealed weapon (my dream gun, i have wet dreams about owning this)

Russian OTS-38 silent revolver. Fires special silent ammo and as a revolver does not eject shells. If you stood in a crowd and fired this gun from inside your pocket still no one would be able to determine who shot. The firing gun is not much louder than the sound of the hammer falling. Interestingly it fires from the bottom barrel, the top is actually a built in laser.

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If we look at a cut away of the cartridge we see the slug is fully seated inside the brass. At the bottom is the gun powder which is covered by a metal plunger which is between the powder and the slug. As the bullet is fired that plunger is pushed forward sealing the explosion behind it. (No explosion leaves the case, hence it is mostly silent) the plunger pushes the bullet out and hits the crimped mouth of the case sealing the explosion inside. Only issue is the spent cases take decades for the pressure inside to finally leak out and drop. Until then the fired cases are containing extreme pressure and can explode.
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SkrufKnifer said:
I asked the question. Is a knife a weapon if used in self defense. Another member kept saying Yes its a weapon when used in self defense. If you read that thread I kept saying it is not. The point I was trying to make is A person who picks up anything with the intent to use a knife in this example to use it as a means of intimidation and potentialy injure/kill someone in the process of robbery or what ever. This person using the knife as a weapon and had/has used this to go out into the world to cause trobble. Thats a WEAPON. A person who carries the same knife for the sole perpouse of self defense. Should it really be called a weapon. As this person has/had no plans on ever using it. I dont want to start that convo again, just throwing it out there. I believe its always better to have and never use it as oppossed to needing it once and not having it. Now as EDC what does that mean? Every Day Carry. weather or not you use it isnt important. So EDCing a dagger for personal protection is for me a no brainer. I mean how many people EDC a firearm? Do these people use it everyday? All the questions and opinions about EDCing a dagger should hold same to fire arms, but for some reason on this forum that does not seem to be true. Not saying its a bad thing or good. Just an observation
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A dagger in my opinion is a poor substitute for a regular knife and I consider it a weapon whether it is used for ill or self defense. You think the police would view your dagger as a tool after you stuck somebody? Weapon. A gun carried for self defense is generally geared toward protecting from two legged predators; weapon. I just want to be very clear as to where I stand. It's okay to carry a knife for self defense, but with that carry, the knife is intended to be a weapon.
 
Its cercimstatial weather a cop would view a knife as a weapon. well legal terms yes, but it would depend on the situation. weather it was justified or not. Yeah daggers arnt the best all around blades, but i needed mine at a time. I dont anymore. To be honest I dont know how i got out of there and to here. Almost every one i knew from that time is dead or in prison.....How either didnt happen to me i dont know. I carried it for SD never has the tought of harming some one ever crossed my mind. I mean being an attacker.
 
Not many people carry swiss army knives or multitools for self defense. Unfortunately, there is almost always somebody who might as it's a big world.
 
If i had a small multi tool I think I might use it as a fist pack, but that about as much as i think id go with it
 
SkrufKnifer said:
Its cercimstatial weather a cop would view a knife as a weapon. well legal terms yes, but it would depend on the situation. weather it was justified or not. Yeah daggers arnt the best all around blades, but i needed mine at a time. I dont anymore. To be honest I dont know how i got out of there and to here. Almost every one i knew from that time is dead or in prison.....How either didnt happen to me i dont know. I carried it for SD never has the tought of harming some one ever crossed my mind. I mean being an attacker.
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If you are wondering why you are seeing so much backlash against calling knives weapons it is because many knife hobbyists believe that by implying any knife could be a weapon it hurts the case against legality of blades.

The idea being, "if we could just get the public to percieve knives as mainly tools, then more laws restricting knives will be repealed." Also they believe society will feel safer around knives if the pubic thinks, "this is no different than a hammer or screwdriver."

I think what really is happening is that in the public's mind any knife can be a weapon or tool depending on the intent of the user and the anxiety level of the observer. Some knives such as daggers are more likely to be recognized as weapons, boxcutters more likely to be recognized as tools.

Here's an example

Dude is sitting on the hood of his car and pulls out his Spyderco Delica to open something. To the dude walking past with his pet Rottie the delica is just a tool. To a nervous mother who sees he delica it is a weapon. She perceived the man as a potential threat already and now that he is holding a knife he is an even greater one. She might have seen her husband using the exact same Delica and considered it a tool.
 
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