Thinking outside the box

The job of science is to explain art. I recently read a quote that the laws of chance were simple probability reduced to the level of calculus.
A man was teaching me how to braid a complex turks head knot, one I have never achieved or seen copied. He said that it was easy, simple mathmetics. I asked him to explain his comment - he laughed and said "I have no idea, I just make them."
 
I like the way you use non traditional handle materials at times.
Would this qualify as outside of the box thinking?
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Ed Fowler said:
The job of science is to explain art. I recently read a quote that the laws of chance were simple probability reduced to the level of calculus.
A man was teaching me how to braid a complex turks head knot, one I have never achieved or seen copied. He said that it was easy, simple mathmetics. I asked him to explain his comment - he laughed and said "I have no idea, I just make them."
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I would say that actually, science can never completely explain art.

Rather, science and art are 2 different ways of interpreting nature.

Science seeks to interpret the way that nature works, and reacts.

Art seeks to interpret the emotion that nature instills in us.

Yes, you can use science to explain art. Any piano piece, for example, can be explained through mathematics and physics. Biochemistry might even explain how the body reacts during an emotional response to the music. But science can never completely relay to another person the emotion of the music.
 
Science is not necessarily devoid of emotion, nor is art necessarily devoid of science, they can operate in harmony when both seek to communicate.

I just read why violins made during a certain period of time produced a different tone than those of other periods. It had to do with a drought that tightened the grain of the wood they were using that was harvested during the drought.

Some might feel this concept weakens the reputation of creativity of the artists who made the violins. I consider it a compliment to them in that they were able to modify their craftsmanship to take advantage of the opportunity afforded by nature.
 
Tai Goo said:
That's the box where thinking begins. :)

The only place, or "state", where thought doesn't exist or can't exist is called "yoga nidra". It's the silence after the M in AUM... but there's really nothing to describe the experience, or anything to describe... it's a total empty void. It's easier to say what it isn't than what it is. It isn't meditation, it isn't dreaming, it isn't thinking,... it just isn't.

It has been thought of as conscious deep sleep.
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Unless you were one of my dear milk cows. In that case, the moment before they spoke their reversed om would be the one that would be the closest they would ever get to a potential thought, which is followed by the sound of their eternally meditative metabolizing...."moo!"
 
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Burl Source said:
I like the way you use non traditional handle materials at times.
Would this qualify as outside of the box thinking?
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That bicycle illustrates my perspective.

It's very nice, interesting to look at, but since there's no chain on it, you could peddle forever and never go anywhere.

There's no point in championing differences solely for the sake of difference, especially when they're useless.
 
12345678910 said:
That bicycle illustrates my perspective.

It's very nice, interesting to look at, but since there's no chain on it, you could peddle forever and never go anywhere.

There's no point in championing differences solely for the sake of difference, especially when they're useless.
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....Or, without ever moving, it could take any person who chooses when beholding it, back in time to any number of various childhood bicycle riding memories...or perhaps into imaginative futures, where an infinite variety of bicycle riding moments with children and grandchildren are yet to unfold, etc....

Useless for the practical technical mind, perhaps. Priceless for the imaginative mind, most assuredly!
 
12345678910 said:
That bicycle illustrates my perspective.

It's very nice, interesting to look at, but since there's no chain on it, you could peddle forever and never go anywhere.

There's no point in championing differences solely for the sake of difference, especially when they're useless.
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Hehe I agree, great perspective!

Phil, how many wood bikes did you own?
 
Farmer Phil said:
Useless for the practical technical mind, perhaps. Priceless for the imaginative mind, most assuredly!
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I'm quite sentimental in many respects but

...are you ever going to sell a customer a knife, telling them it's only good to look at, fondle, and dream with; that you can't actually expect to cut anything with it?

I wouldn't
 
I see it as another man's dream, I can feel emotion when I look and like Phil think back and see it as a symbol of nature, youth, home made bikes and good times. Out of the box? You bet!
 
Ed Fowler said:
Science is not necessarily devoid of emotion, nor is art necessarily devoid of science, they can operate in harmony when both seek to communicate.

I just read why violins made during a certain period of time produced a different tone than those of other periods. It had to do with a drought that tightened the grain of the wood they were using that was harvested during the drought.

Some might feel this concept weakens the reputation of creativity of the artists who made the violins. I consider it a compliment to them in that they were able to modify their craftsmanship to take advantage of the opportunity afforded by nature.
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Sorry Ed- This information about violins is not correct. Not even close. This was just another hypothesis that wasted everyone's time.
 
12345678910 said:
I'm quite sentimental in many respects but

...are you ever going to sell a customer a knife, telling them it's only good to look at, fondle, and dream with; that you can't actually expect to cut anything with it?

I wouldn't
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Yet, I've sure been enjoying watching that amazing collaborative meteorite knife get built!

As too have I come to appreciate folks re-handling/restoring old knives of deep personal meaning, yet perhaps inferior functionality.

I remember my first knife almost as if it was yesterday. My Dad whittled it for me from a single piece of wood. It had a handle, a guard and a blade. No one will ever be able to convince me it wasn't a knife. In fact, if I was hard pressed, I'd likely have to say, that I doubt I'll ever meet, hold or use a knife that will be its equal in certain respects.
 
Deloid: I apologize if my comment was misleading, the theory sounded good.
I will try to find another example.
 
...are you ever going to sell a customer a knife, telling them it's only good to look at, fondle, and dream with; that you can't actually expect to cut anything with it?
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Why not? Non functional knives are nothing new, been around for ages. Check your history books. I made and sold lots and lots of them in the past.

Sound's familiar........
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How so Sam?…

... never mind. ;)
 
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