This drives me nuts!!!

It's on the extreme end, and not a design I would personally choose.

But I will say, finding screws that don't cause some issue on a knife is a real pain in the butt for makers.

There are many things to consider on issues like this i.e. drive type and size, head style, head thickness and head diameter, screw length, thread pitch etc.

Manufacturers of screws do NOT make it easy for makers to use a common screw across an entire folder build. They don't make every screw in every option/size so makers constantly have to pick from the few that are available, often having to choose the lesser of two evils.

Folks who have never done and have never had to agonize over those details have no idea of the headache it can be.
 
Monofletch said:
I agree with you guys, but why should I have to look for screws!!
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You shouldn't have to.

I can't say whether it was just laziness on microtech's part, or if that was the best solution for them in this case.

If those screws were to be countersunk, you would need a counterbore to drill the pocket. Flathead screws would be used. You have to match the angle under the screw head to the angle of the countersink. You have to have a screw long enough to reach the threads. And you have to decide the type and size of driver you want.

Countersinking adds extra tooling and an extra step or two. That alone *might* be why they chose not to? Or it's plausible that the screw doesn't exist with their preferred options. It's hard to say.

Again, I personally agree with you that it's a bad design and defeats the purpose. I wouldn't do it that way.

There isn't much money to made for a knifemaker in making/installing pocket clips as it is. It's a HUGE PITA.

I does suck as a buyer that an otherwise awesome knife has that to contend with.
 
Are there US made pocket knives where they mill the scales and use flush mounted screws? I know I've bought imports where they do, but I can't think of any of my US knives that aren't coming with big dome headed screws. This is deep carry clips only of course.
 
Following up with a pic to prove a point:

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Two "budget friendly" knives and two NOT budget friendly knives. Guess which two have milled out spots in the G10 for flush fitting clips that also use flush fitting screws and which two don't. Sure, all four go into the pocket just fine but it feels like the two US knives would have that much nicer fit and finish feel of quality when it's the other two. One is a custom shop build and one also has a flush filling filler tab opposite if you wanted to swap sides. It's frustrating. And yes I love G10.
 
I couldn’t really care less about the screws holding my pocket clip onto my knife AS LONG AS they hold the clip on the scale and don’t prevent me from being able to clip my knife onto my pocket.

This seems like a really first world problem to me. Obviously, it can be done. Why don’t they all do it? I dunno. But buttonhead vs. countersunk clip screws is probably not going to be the thing to prevent me from buying a knife I like.

That said, questions to your point above M Maximumbob54 …

Have you ever asked for replacement pocket clip screws, or a replacement pocket clip from Civivi? Or, have you ever had to remove a countersunk screw where the tool inlet is stripped? Just sayin.
 
Centermass said:
I couldn’t really care less about the screws holding my pocket clip onto my knife AS LONG AS they hold the clip on the scale and don’t prevent me from being able to clip my knife onto my pocket.

This seems like a really first world problem to me. Obviously, it can be done. Why don’t they all do it? I dunno. But buttonhead vs. countersunk clip screws is probably not going to be the thing to prevent me from buying a knife I like.

That said, questions to your point above M Maximumbob54 …

Have you ever asked for replacement pocket clip screws, or a replacement pocket clip from Civivi? Or, have you ever had to remove a countersunk screw where the tool inlet is stripped? Just sayin.
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Until minutes ago I'd never thought about it but it looks like you can buy them direct from their webpage. And I've never used one on a pocket knife but several years ago I had to resort to whatever brand of an easy out extractor on my ex's glasses since she stripped out the screw. It was a pain but it worked.

I'm not trying to bemoan American quality so much as say it used to be us setting the standards. It's been shown it can be done and it would be great if it was an option.
 
For example, guess what kind of screws are holding this clip on:

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And the MSI the OP had issue with for additional reference:

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Wait, you can’t see em? Exactly. When they’re doing what they’re supposed to, why worry about it?

They’re pocketknives, not spacecraft. I’ll agree that sure, it’d be a nice touch, but it’s hardly an actual “problem” IMO.
 
Not sure if it was mentioned...

IF those were countersunk for flathead screws, that would have to happen Before the bends, done in the flat.... Also the geometry looks tight.

Often bending things distort shapes....especially with little room to work with.

A distorted CT'SK can't be fixed because of the small opening above. If it distorts the flat, head of the screw won't seat correctly.

So, they used socket heads. Maybe they could of used lower profile?
 
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