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This is a Lefty Thread... Factory Folder EDCs - Your honorable recommendations?
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Actually, in the thread you posted, his opinion was based without any direct contact or use of the axis lock. He also posited his theoretical hazard in the context of "a knife fight". Making opinions without experiencing the subject of your opinion (in this case, the 806D2) is very politically correct. Also, Mr. Caracci was the lead designer of the original, liner-locked AFCK and had left Benchmade's design team before the axis-locked AFCK was designed. Bad-mouthing a redesign of your brainchild is also politically correct.
I'm not doubting Mr. Caracci's skills in combat and I'm definitely not knocking the liner-locked AFCK (thick liners are happy liners). I am saying that opinions of life-and-death struggles based on imagined drawbacks of unhandled equipment is politically correct and should be critically scrutinized. The opinions of anyone who trusts liner locks, in general, over the axis lock should be critically scrutinized.
Alan, I'm not telling you to trust the axis lock, but I am asking you to question the motives of people asking you to distrust it.
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RIP Dann, you were a good guy.
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Addictive...That would figure...
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^^actually, chris did handle an axis lock:
"I was shown this design at some show by some guys who were benchmade dealers and they wanted my opinion. After handling the knife for less than 30 seconds I told them,"you don't want to know".
Needless to say they did so I took them away from their table and very easily pointed out why the knife could close by accident in a knife fight!
If you all haven't caught on yet let me make this perfectly clear, I am not a sportsman. I live in a different world I guess, and if a tool is not practical and reliable in the worst case scenario than I have no use for it!"
i'm glad that you agree with me that a thick liner is a happy liner. ernie emerson would also contend the same thing, as would bob terzuola & many others.
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There is a stampeding group of buffalo in the differences between handling an axis lock and the situations he envisioned. Further down the thread, Mr. Caracci made several comments saying he'd need to see the knife again. It's still politically correct and not a good line of reasoning (that sounds redundant) for justifying your neuroses against axis locks.
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Martin's warranty isn't as all-encompassing as Strider's, but it appears he'll make good on repairing abuse if the knife was misused in an emergency situation. Fair enough to me. But now I'm broke.
Guess I'll alternate between my Nemesis for overbuilt and reprofiled Delica for sharp.
Glockman99
After you fall head over heels for the superb construction for the 730, you may want one of its variants. Then, you'll want to try the other rugged knives, such as the 721 or 520, and the gent's knives, such as the 770 and 921.
Boink:
Martin's warranty isn't as all-encompassing as Strider's, but it appears he'll make good on repairing abuse if the knife was misused in an emergency situation. Fair enough to me. But now I'm broke.
Guess I'll alternate between my Nemesis for overbuilt and reprofiled Delica for sharp.
Glockman99
After you fall head over heels for the superb construction for the 730, you may want one of its variants. Then, you'll want to try the other rugged knives, such as the 721 or 520, and the gent's knives, such as the 770 and 921.
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i really want to like the axis lock, thom.. but after handling it, i almost instictively didn't wanna go there. oh well.. i still think the 806d2 is a great-looking design, one of the nicest.
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If you don't like it, you don't like it. There's no need to invent arguments or find specious arguments against it.
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i know you are, but what am i?
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oh & by the way thom, you're the one who asked me what my beef was against the axis lock, so ya got what you asked for, young jedi.
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is that your camerawork?!
the mpc's cool, but the avenger remains on my must-have list.
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Graci.
Your beef was originally that you didn't trust it. Apparently, not trusting your own sense of trust, you attributed some fears to be relayed by Michael Janich (which he didn't relay) and an archived post containing Chris Caracci's speculation of what an axis lock might do. Not trusting the suppositions to stand on their own, you further wrapped Caracci's opinion in the cloak of "it may not be politically...".
It seems your trouble is based more on the idea that some heavy hitters may disapprove of the axis lock than on any faults in its construction. Also, that same trouble involves what might happen if you stab another human and you've decided to place your thumb unsafely over the release button.
Well, the next time you're out stabbing people (in self-defense, of course), and if you've been forced to stab them with an axis-locked folder, keep your thumb behind the axis lock button the same way you'd normally hold it in a paintbrush grip or place your thumb on the grooved thumb-ramp that every axis-locked Benchmade I've handled always has, and safely withdraw. If you overcome the force of a visceral vacuum by using Janich's comma-cut, you're much less likely to unlock your blade than when using most linerlocks.
If you move to lockbacks, Benchmade just released their Pika and Mini-Pika which have neither a liner lock nor an axis lock, yet they both have the same general blade profile of Caracci's AFCK and Spyderco's Police model.
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thanks for the input, thom.
all that said, i was very uncomfortable with the ease of disengagement of 806D2 axis lock i handled at the store, and that's that.
after some digging & very helpful suggestions from you gracious folks, (and endearingly specious folks like my buddy thom), i narrowed my use-em-up/beat-em-down choices down to either a lefty sebenza (hmmm.. as utilitarian as this knife is, it still runs the risk of not really getting "used"), spydie chinook 2 (looks like a hell of a knife, love the choil cuz i love my fingers blood-free after a stabbing spree). i'd consider the military or police models, but the choils aren't deep enough for my liking. right now, i'm really leaning towards getting my paws on the chinook. most knife for the money i've seen in a while, and that's just based on pictures & reviews! the sebbie might have to wait for when i make my cyclic rounds through semi-expensiveville..
all that said, i was very uncomfortable with the ease of disengagement of 806D2 axis lock i handled at the store, and that's that.
after some digging & very helpful suggestions from you gracious folks, (and endearingly specious folks like my buddy thom
), i narrowed my use-em-up/beat-em-down choices down to either a lefty sebenza (hmmm.. as utilitarian as this knife is, it still runs the risk of not really getting "used"), spydie chinook 2 (looks like a hell of a knife, love the choil cuz i love my fingers blood-free after a stabbing spree). i'd consider the military or police models, but the choils aren't deep enough for my liking. right now, i'm really leaning towards getting my paws on the chinook. most knife for the money i've seen in a while, and that's just based on pictures & reviews! the sebbie might have to wait for when i make my cyclic rounds through semi-expensiveville..