This may not go over well but in regards to Mechforce

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The whole fake USA thing is really a theme. It's a refuge for dirtbags that want to turn a quick buck.

Maybe this needs to move to a new sub in the GBU that calls this type of maker out. It's at least the third case I've seen over the last few years. And they haven't been "oops we misspoke" on this, they were deliberate choices to disguise the origin of the knife.
 
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There was an alleged "custom" maker whom I escorted out of here in unceremonious fashion some years back...kicking and screaming and making threats, no less. His "customs" were made in Guangdong, China by a company he hired to build them. He may have added a laser etch or something when they arrived here...at which time the flimsy tape stating "China" as the origin was removed from the blades or handles.

It was the lie that cost him.

The investigation took some time, but sources I had, both here and abroad, proved the matter beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
SharpBits said:
Looks like we got moved to GBU. Fair enough.

FTR, I prefer as much domestically (or by close allies) made as is currently possible, in all things. Country of origin should not be hidden, ever. Doing so makes you look like a scammer, IMO.
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I agree in regards to country of origin should not be hidden. In regards to domestic vs foreign, I collect both, it just depends on what model interests me and what versions/price points are available.
Blues said:
There was an alleged "custom" maker whom I escorted out of here in unceremonious fashion some years back...kicking and screaming and making threats, no less. His "customs" were made in Guangdong, China by a company he hired to build them. He may have added a laser etch or something when they arrived here...at which time the flimsy tape stating "China" as the origin was removed from the blades or handles.

It was the lie that cost him.

The investigation took some time, but sources I had, both here and abroad, proved the matter beyond a reasonable doubt.
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If you decide to look into this further I would definitely be interested in the findings. I think the knives are nice, Im just skeptical about the origins. I did get a reply from mechforce when inquiring about further stock, and the reply was "we just finished some more today, would you like to purchase one?" . At that point I had already bought from ncblade, but the reply seemed to another data point to imply they are doing at least something domestically.
 
I’ve come to determine any well manufactured knife with high end parts but way underpriced is always manufactured overseas. The bottom line is other than the large US knife companies, your not getting a 100% USA made for less than $400. That being said, weeding out designers that do outsource over seas but still asking in that $400+ are the hardest to get the whole truth out of. For example Ive looked but still can’t figure out where are how something obscene produces their knives. And that’s the main reason I don’t have one.
 
SACBALLZ said:
If you decide to look into this further I would definitely be interested in the findings. I think the knives are nice, Im just skeptical about the origins. I did get a reply from mechforce when inquiring about further stock, and the reply was "we just finished some more today, would you like to purchase one?" . At that point I had already bought from ncblade, but the reply seemed to another data point to imply they are doing at least something domestically.
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I have no plan to look further into it, and knowing Jared Oeser from personal dealings to be a straight shooter, I have no reason to question the veracity of his statement.

If someone comes onto this site and makes demonstrably false claims, then it's open season.
 
Blues said:
I have no plan to look further into it, and knowing Jared Oeser from personal dealings to be a straight shooter, I have no reason to question the veracity of his statement.

If someone comes onto this site and makes demonstrably false claims, then it's open season.
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Jared took care of me on a warranty issue promptly and no charge, nothing but good experiences with him.
 
When KC started selling them, I swear they listed them as made in China. Never looked back until a recent thread. China makes great knives but the company should be fully transparent and not dance around the facts. When they leave any room for doubt about COO many jump to conclusions. Sure it’s probably legal but it’s cowardly. Be proud and upfront about the goods you’re peddling. Almost all of mechforce’s knives look Chinese to me. The prices clearly don’t align with American made and manufactured. Not my style but I’m glad others enjoy them.
 
Jdottinger said:
When KC started selling them, I swear they listed them as made in China. Never looked back until a recent thread. China makes great knives but the company should be fully transparent and not dance around the facts. When they leave any room for doubt about COO many jump to conclusions. Sure it’s probably legal but it’s cowardly. Be proud and upfront about the goods you’re peddling. Almost all of mechforce’s knives look Chinese to me. The prices clearly don’t align with American made and manufactured. Not my style but I’m glad others enjoy them.
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I've had good experiences with my We/Reate/Bestech knives. We has been awesome, even selling me entire titanium hardware kits including the pivot and bearings for a measely $10 shipped, and about a week delivery time. I just paid $80 for Hinderer hardware that doesn't include near as many parts. At the end of the day I just like knives, whether made in the US, China, whatever.
 
SharpBits said:
With a name like Mechforce, I just assumed it was Chinese. I was surprised to see they made anything here in the States. Certainly far more parts percentage wise than the Big Three automakers. I don't see people sharpening pitchforks and lighting torches when it comes to their $80K pickup trucks.
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I was going to point out similar but you’ve said it better than I would have anyway.
 
SACBALLZ said:
I've had good experiences with my We/Reate/Bestech knives. We has been awesome, even selling me entire titanium hardware kits including the pivot and bearings for a measely $10 shipped, and about a week delivery time. I just paid $80 for Hinderer hardware that doesn't include near as many parts. At the end of the day I just like knives, whether made in the US, China, whatever.
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We are a global economy now. My Reate, Bestech, and WE knives are some of the best made knives in my collection. I love to buy and support US makers whenever possible, but that doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy the products of foreign manufacturers as well. I’ve recently been on a Shiro kick buying three in three weeks. I don’t care. I like em all.
 
Their folders are pretty elaborate. It strikes me as a bit peculiar that they supposedly have the machining capabilities here in the US at their facility to make the parts for titanium frame or inset locks and inlays, bolsters etc. but lack the ability to have blades cut here, yet finish grind them in PA?
 
BP Green said:
We are a global economy now. My Reate, Bestech, and WE knives are some of the best made knives in my collection. I love to buy and support US makers whenever possible, but that doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy the products of foreign manufacturers as well. I’ve recently been on a Shiro kick buying three in three weeks. I don’t care. I like em all.
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I would like to think there’s nothing wrong with this idea in general but there’s a few red flags for me that have me concerned. These overseas companies aren’t just here to compete but rather take over imo.

For example why would they leave money on the table and sell knives spec’d with materials for considerably less than what the American market has been paying for them. Especially considering the build quality along with the higher end materials. Pretty sure it’s not because they’re not as greedy or they just like us. To me it’s obviously to undercut the American market and especially American made.

Also why would they be so willing to oem for American makers and designers? Seems like Reate could care less about the name of the brand on the knives they make. As long as they’re making them seems to be the only thing that matters.

I haven’t done the research but I’ve always gotten the feeling companies like Reate, bestech etc were big manufacturers that found our little niche American knife market to keep some of their machines running and making money.

I’ll admit that what china has done to the rest of our manufacturing base along with our own corporate sell out is the main reason I’m concerned. I can’t help but feel they’re here to take over all the knife manufacturing and once again leave us with no other choices but to buy their products. In my eyes their not here just to participate like shiro’s, Italian made etc.
 
mitchnola said:
I would like to think there’s nothing wrong with this idea in general but there’s a few red flags for me that have me concerned. These overseas companies aren’t just here to compete but rather take over imo.

For example why would they leave money on the table and sell knives spec’d with materials for considerably less than what the American market has been paying for them. Especially considering the build quality along with the higher end materials. Pretty sure it’s not because they’re not as greedy or they just like us. To me it’s obviously to undercut the American market and especially American made.

Also why would they be so willing to oem for American makers and designers? Seems like Reate could care less about the name of the brand on the knives they make. As long as they’re making them seems to be the only thing that matters.

I haven’t done the research but I’ve always gotten the feeling companies like Reate, bestech etc were big manufacturers that found our little niche American knife market to keep some of their machines running and making money.

I’ll admit that what china has done to the rest of our manufacturing base along with our own corporate sell out is the main reason I’m concerned. I can’t help but feel they’re here to take over all the knife manufacturing and once again leave us with no other choices but to buy their products. In my eyes they’re not here just to participate like shiro’s, Italian made etc.
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Is it really undercutting with an eye on ultimately putting our guys out of business permanently, or is it just the fact that they can still make an incredible amount money because their costs are so much less for labor and materials? No doubt they’d love to do that if they could but I don’t think they seriously think that’s going to happen.

An even better example of this is Two Suns. Look at the incredible quality of some of their stuff and for rock bottom pricing! No one’s going to compete with some of the stuff they put out at those prices but they haven’t put our guys in that market niche out of business. Hell, a lot of people don’t even know they exist.

I think the example you used of them making products for other companies regardless of who they are just because there’s money in it suggests that’s the case.

Not to mention that in all honesty, if I’m going to pay really big money - and I suspect most other Americans/Euros are like this as well whether they admit it or not - I’d much prefer to buy US or European products when compared head to head with Chinese. If they did start charging full market price they would just straight up lose.

BTW, it was our own globalist government that sold us out.
 
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SharpBits said:
I have to agree with Mitch.
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I do too in spirit, but can you honestly say you don’t own anything that is a product of Chinese manufacturing? Maybe you can. If so I applaud you but I just don’t see how that’s possible in this day and age.
 
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