Thoughts on a more "modern" 110 and/or 112...

[Doug_86]

What Buck would you suggest for EDC? I find the Bantams and Bucklites build quality leave something to be desired, and if they loosen up over time there isn't much that can be done. So Buck has the Vantage and the Spitfire. Not exactly a lot to choose from there, unless I'm missing something from Buck's lineup. I think a 3 3/4" Buck 110 blade with a thumbstud would work well in a modern handle design w/pocket clip and pivot screw, and such a knife would fit well into Bucks lineup. In my opinion such a knife would render the larger Bantams, Bucklites, and Spitfires obsolete, assuming it was well made.

IMHO Buck is getting smoked on the lower end of the market for modern edc knives when compared to Kershaw, Cold Steel, Spyderco Byrd, ect. Don't get me wrong, I love my 110 and 301 and 119 and I think Buck does a pretty good job with newer fixed blades like the USA Maverick, CSAR neck knife, Paklites, Opens Season, ect. but EDC folders are not Buck's strong point. The Marksman might be the best option at the moment, but at it's price point it isn't exactly on the cheaper side. The Vantage is OK, but I would prefer a larger blade, clip point, and back lock. Then again, I hope to be thoroughly pleased by the 715 Ascend that is coming out later this year. It might finally be the Buck folder I regularly carry. A modernized 110 wouldn't hurt my feelings though.

Hope this post didn't sound like I'm ragging on Buck too much........

I'm not suggesting you or anyone else not use a Buck 110 for an "EDC" I said it's primary design is to be used as a hunting knife. I'm sorry if you can't figure out another one of Bucks hundreds of selections for an everyday carry.

I'm not really interested in all the other brands you listed.

If you wanna re invent the 110 to your needs go buy another lock back style that suits your needs.

50 years and going strong. I understand you're a noob but it's not the most copied lock back on the planet cause some know it all thinks it needs to be like the other brands you listed.

 

[pinnah]

In terms of currently made knives by companies from around the world, the 110 is clearly no longer the most copied lockback. That distinction goes to Syderco. In fact, the Spitfire/Slimline models have more in common Spyderco designs than the 110 line.

The 110/112 shouldn't change. They're classics.

But times have changed. So, Buck needs to respond to the modern market by producing modern styled folders and they have. Vantage. Bucklite Max (should be upgraded to G10). Spitfire/Slimline (my new Slimline is developing worsening play and it's been less than a month ).

The gap in Bucks line up IMO is pocket carryable TRADITIONAL knives. The 500 series is awsome but limited in size and stylistically, appeal.

IMO, Buck should produce a thinned version of the 110/112. Paperstone scales. No bolsters. Large Birdseye pivot. No finger grooves. Lanyard hole. Full flat or convex grind. Long straight nick.

These knives should be targeted directly at the GEC 72 and 42 lockbacks. They don't need to be 500 series thin. Maybe 12 or 13 mm wide at the spine.

Beautiful. Thin. Looks like a Buck 110/112. I'd buy dozens.

 

[Catherine_Montana]

I think that the Buck 110 knife should be left alone as it is.

It is a classic knife and 'look'. It is perfect just as it is in my opinion for a folding knife. I feel the same way about the '55' folding knife too! The design of these knives suit what they were made for!

This is off of the BUCK website in Idaho.

"The 110 Folding Hunter- A traditional favorite! Buck's Folding Hunter was created in 1963 when Al Buck decided that a revolutionary lockblade knife was needed by outdoorsmen who wanted a sturdy knife but did not want to carry a long fixed-blade knife. He was right and the result proved to be the key to the company's future. The challenge was to combine the strengths of other folding knives with locking mechanisms into a good-looking, reliable product. It wasn't easy, but after a series of refinements, the Model 110 was unveiled. Within six months, this innovation was the hottest knife in the industry. The Folding Hunter, after over 50 years, is still one of America's best-selling knives. Length 4 7/8" closed. Made in the USA."

People can buy more modern styles of Buck knives (Or something else if it trips their trigger.) but the Buck 110 should stay the same in all ways. (If you want to get the Buck 110 knife but in a different finish, cool, but the Buck design and style should be the same. My opinion.)

I feel that way about all of the CLASSIC folding or fixed blade Buck knives.

I no longer use folding knives and only use fixed blade Buck knives due to my hand flare ups but my husband loves his Buck 110 knives and his Buck '55' knives a whole bunch. He uses and carries one of them on a daily basis.

I never owned a '112' Ranger folding knife but I think the same about that knife too.

I own the #113 Ranger Skinner fixed blade knife and THAT knife is my EDC knife. And I am not kidding you either. It is always in my fanny pack.

The #113 and the #119 Special are my two top favorite BUCK classic knifes!

I can see dressing up the BUCK CLASSIC KNIVES with different handles or steel if you want something different but the 'original classic design' IS what made these Buck knives BUCK KNIVES from the gitgo! Best sellers! Company name! Quality! Warranty! Beautiful! Classic knives to own, gift, use for various tasks, heirlooms, etc.!

Cate

 

[Haebbie]

People can buy more modern styles of Buck knives (Or something else if it trips their trigger.) but the Buck 110 should stay the same in all ways. (If you want to get the Buck 110 knife but in a different finish, cool, but the Buck design and style should be the same. My opinion.)

Cate, +1 :thumbup:

 

[MaxFisher]

I would like to see a modernized version of the 110. I have a Cold Steel Lone Star Hunter, which is similar to the Broken Skull, but it is in Aus-8a and has derlin stag handles instead of G-10. It comes close to what I would want from Buck.

My preferred requirements for a modern Buck would be:

Same blade as the 110 But with thumbstud
pocket clip
keep the back lock
thinner/less weight
adjustable pivot screw

I would buy a dozen.

The Bantams and Bucklites aren't too bad, but I would really like to see an adjustable pivot screw instead of the pinned constriction they use.

If the price were also kept reasonable I'd be in for at least a dozen too. And pretty much all of my friends and family would own one.

 

[DocT]

There is another thread on here from back in January or so talking about this. We were pretty much in agreement that it should be a 110 design, be much thinner, have linerless G10 handles, and have a steel upgrade.

 

[Haebbie]

Linerless with G10 Handle? How would that work? Where is the backbone of the knife? There are two ways to get a folder solid: solid liner or solid scales. G10 is not tough enough to be used for a stable structure. Or do you have another idea?

Haebbie

 

[Wramo]

I'm not suggesting you or anyone else not use a Buck 110 for an "EDC" I said it's primary design is to be used as a hunting knife. I'm sorry if you can't figure out another one of Bucks hundreds of selections for an everyday carry.

I'm not really interested in all the other brands you listed.

If you wanna re invent the 110 to your needs go buy another lock back style that suits your needs.

50 years and going strong. I understand you're a noob but it's not the most copied lock back on the planet cause some know it all thinks it needs to be like the other brands you listed.

I didn't say you recommended the Buck 110 as an EDC.

I simply said there is not a Buck knife that meets my admittedly narrow requirements/wants for an EDC (pocket clip, thumbstud/hole, back lock, pivot screw, decent build quality, larger blade).

And I don't think the 110 needs to be like other brands. The 110 can stay the 110. Introducing a knife like I want is not mutually exclusive with keeping the 110. I am in no way suggesting Buck axe the 110. The new knife could be called a xt675mg10 for all I care. I'm just saying I would like a 110 blade in a modern handle. That's a pretty harmless statement.

How would you understand I'm a noob, though? Do you know anything about me? Didn't think so. I won't claim to know anything about you, but I bet I can say I have cleaned more animals with my 110 and carried it more than 99% of people on this site. That's not a claim to superiority or knowledge, just a refutation of baseless name calling.

Wanting Buck to introduce a more modern style knife that suits my needs is hardly thinking the 110 needs to be like other brands. If that was the case, why have the Bantams, Spitfires, et al?

 

[emw479]

The 715 Ascend LT will satisfy a lot of the demand for a modern Buck folder.

 

[Doug_86]

I didn't say you recommended the Buck 110 as an EDC.

I simply said there is not a Buck knife that meets my admittedly narrow requirements/wants for an EDC (pocket clip, thumbstud/hole, back lock, pivot screw, decent build quality, larger blade).

And I don't think the 110 needs to be like other brands. The 110 can stay the 110. Introducing a knife like I want is not mutually exclusive with keeping the 110. I am in no way suggesting Buck axe the 110. The new knife could be called a xt675mg10 for all I care. I'm just saying I would like a 110 blade in a modern handle. That's a pretty harmless statement.

How would you understand I'm a noob, though? Do you know anything about me? Didn't think so. I won't claim to know anything about you, but I bet I can say I have cleaned more animals with my 110 and carried it more than 99% of people on this site. That's not a claim to superiority or knowledge, just a refutation of baseless name calling.

Wanting Buck to introduce a more modern style knife that suits my needs is hardly thinking the 110 needs to be like other brands. If that was the case, why have the Bantams, Spitfires, et al?

It sounds like you need a Lochsa model 110 and a pivot screw and then you'd be happy. I don't think you would like the price though.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Linerless with G10 Handle? How would that work? Where is the backbone of the knife? There are two ways to get a folder solid: solid liner or solid scales. G10 is not tough enough to be used for a stable structure. Or do you have another idea?

Haebbie

Tell that to Cold Steel, they've yanked the liners from basically all their G10 folders and they're still some of the toughest knives around. G10 is tougher stuff than you're giving it credit for.

 

[Makael]

I didn't say you recommended the Buck 110 as an EDC.

I simply said there is not a Buck knife that meets my admittedly narrow requirements/wants for an EDC (pocket clip, thumbstud/hole, back lock, pivot screw, decent build quality, larger blade).

And I don't think the 110 needs to be like other brands. The 110 can stay the 110. Introducing a knife like I want is not mutually exclusive with keeping the 110. I am in no way suggesting Buck axe the 110. The new knife could be called a xt675mg10 for all I care. I'm just saying I would like a 110 blade in a modern handle. That's a pretty harmless statement.

How would you understand I'm a noob, though? Do you know anything about me? Didn't think so. I won't claim to know anything about you, but I bet I can say I have cleaned more animals with my 110 and carried it more than 99% of people on this site. That's not a claim to superiority or knowledge, just a refutation of baseless name calling.

Wanting Buck to introduce a more modern style knife that suits my needs is hardly thinking the 110 needs to be like other brands. If that was the case, why have the Bantams, Spitfires, et al?

I'm the 1%. I carry 2013 110 everyday of the year,

 

[Makael]

I didn't say you recommended the Buck 110 as an EDC.

I simply said there is not a Buck knife that meets my admittedly narrow requirements/wants for an EDC (pocket clip, thumbstud/hole, back lock, pivot screw, decent build quality, larger blade).

And I don't think the 110 needs to be like other brands. The 110 can stay the 110. Introducing a knife like I want is not mutually exclusive with keeping the 110. I am in no way suggesting Buck axe the 110. The new knife could be called a xt675mg10 for all I care. I'm just saying I would like a 110 blade in a modern handle. That's a pretty harmless statement.

How would you understand I'm a noob, though? Do you know anything about me? Didn't think so. I won't claim to know anything about you, but I bet I can say I have cleaned more animals with my 110 and carried it more than 99% of people on this site. That's not a claim to superiority or knowledge, just a refutation of baseless name calling.

Wanting Buck to introduce a more modern style knife that suits my needs is hardly thinking the 110 needs to be like other brands. If that was the case, why have the Bantams, Spitfires, et al?

But you do want buck to be like other brands. You admit to having narrow requirements. Buy whatever floats your boat. Buck sells an ass load of knives, over the years they have built just about every style combo out there. I looked at what you have posted since you joined for free and looks like 99 percent of them buck just doesn't quite build exactly the kind of knife you need for your narrow requirements. I honestly think the Buck end of these forums is the largest group on blade forums. Which goes to show its probably one of the most sought after brands for collectors.plus Google which lockback is the most copied and the list is a mile long about the 110.


I will support the Americans at Buck knives. .
Ps, I took you off my free leather sheath list until I see an attitude change.

 

[Haebbie]

Tell that to Cold Steel, they've yanked the liners from basically all their G10 folders and they're still some of the toughest knives around. G10 is tougher stuff than you're giving it credit for.

May be I underestimate the G10. But I do not trust into framless knife handles. I had bad expiriences with frameless folders. they went loose at the front end of the handle. But I never had a Cold Steel. May be they did their homework. There's no need for me to try it out. I have brass and steel framed Buck knives enough. So other knife user may test the durability of the G10 handled Cold Steel knives. I'll read the test report. Let's see what they find out.

Haebbie

 

[155440]

I like the idea of a super slim, lightweight 110. I pocket carry a 110 every now and then and don't notice it's weight because I wear a belt. Why not have both?

 

[El_Toro]

The modern 110/112 was the variation with paperstone handles.
The Buck Eco lite. But at least: nothin' can beat the classics

Haebbie

I also have a 112 EcoLite with paperstone handles and while it is made with more modern materials, I don't consider it a more modern design. Yes, it is lighter and easier to pocket carry, but only if you don't have much in your pockets. Mixed in with keys, a cell phone, or whatever else a person lugs around daily, it's just as bulky as a regular 112 due to the handle thickness (same applies to the 110 version).

Putting a few of my ideas in the opening post aside (adjustable pivot, G-10, & torx screws), I think the Ecolite 110/112 would have been a better seller with a few alterations. The paperstone scales should have been thinner and flatter (without the contoured cutouts), a reversible pocket clip added, and a thumbstud like the Lochsa model. If Buck were to redo this knife like so in either the paperstone or G-10, I would buy at least one of each type or maybe even multiples if they did "Sprint Runs" with different colored handles or blade materials.

The originals have there place and I'm not suggesting to discontinue and/or replace them. Just add a full on modern version to sell along side them.

 

[MaxCast]

There is much consensus here on a "redesign." Thinner, lighter, one hand opening, similar blade, etc. I am not picky on lock system other than I like my users to have the same operation. I think it should be a new model with consumer driven features. Love the 110/112 as is and will always be my hunting knife. I used to sheath carry a 110 look a like at work but the one hand operation of the Vantage has won my heart. It almost sounds like a redesign of an ecolite or such.
It would be great to see the ideas here presented in CAD models. Then combine to get to one design. I bet we could help Buck create a new knife.

 

[pinnah]

I also have a 112 EcoLite with paperstone handles and while it is made with more modern materials, I don't consider it a more modern design. Yes, it is lighter and easier to pocket carry, but only if you don't have much in your pockets. Mixed in with keys, a cell phone, or whatever else a person lugs around daily, it's just as bulky as a regular 112 due to the handle thickness (same applies to the 110 version).

Putting a few of my ideas in the opening post aside (adjustable pivot, G-10, & torx screws), I think the Ecolite 110/112 would have been a better seller with a few alterations. The paperstone scales should have been thinner and flatter (without the contoured cutouts), a reversible pocket clip added, and a thumbstud like the Lochsa model. If Buck were to redo this knife like so in either the paperstone or G-10, I would buy at least one of each type or maybe even multiples if they did "Sprint Runs" with different colored handles or blade materials.

The originals have there place and I'm not suggesting to discontinue and/or replace them. Just add a full on modern version to sell along side them.

ElToro,

I think your idea is close to mine, but a bit different.

If I were king, I would declare that there be 3 110/112 variants.

1) The originals, left untouched. Although, I would investigate a slightly less pronounced clip. Just a tweak, as has been done before. In particular, the 112 should go back to fuller shape of the original and 2 dot 112s and IMO, the 110 could use just a bit more blade at the tip.

2) Bucklite Max v2 - A modern redo of the original Bucklites. Return to the classic 110/112 blade and frame shapes. Perhaps some finger shaping like from the Ecolites. (I hate it but lots of people demand it.). Thumbstuds. Reversible clip. Thin linerless G10 scales. Torx screw assembly I can understand fans of the current Bucklites not liking this since it's a nice knife on its own. Just doesn't look like a Buck 110. This one should unmistakeablly be a 110/112.

3) Ecolite v2 - This one is for the 7 traditionalists still alive, but thinner and lighter and designed to be pocket carried. Thin Paperstone scales. No finger groves. Brass liners. Riveted construction. Larger Birdseye pivot with a "Buck Ecolite" stamp. Lanyard hole. Long horizontal nick. Flat convex grind (because it's time for Buck to produce at least production 110/112 with a flat convex grind).

I suspect that my 2) would sell well on the General forum and would steal away some ColdSteel customers.

The intention of my 3) would be to sell well on the Traditional forum and to steel away some customers from GEC, Case, Queen and AG Russel. It must be uncompromisingly beautiful, able to be pocket carried due to the lighter weight and thinner and unmistakenlly be a 110/112.

 

[DocT]

Linerless with G10 Handle? How would that work? Where is the backbone of the knife? There are two ways to get a folder solid: solid liner or solid scales. G10 is not tough enough to be used for a stable structure. Or do you have another idea?

Haebbie

au contraire mon frere. Cold Steel and other companies have been making linerless backlock G10 knives for years and they are unbelievably tough. I have reason to know this from experience, but there are also videos out there on this. Knives like this can be made super strong and will not loosen up if made right. I, too, do not like linerless knives. I had a bad experience in a rescue with one. However, those G10 Cold Steel knives are unbelievable.

As to the comment above as to whether we want Buck to be like other companies, we could use that same logic and say that since the automobile was made first by Germans, Americans should not have them. Buck can, and should, learn from the advances of other companies. After all, it was Buck that first made them all learn from Buck.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

au contraire mon frere. Cold Steel and other companies have been making linerless backlock G10 knives for years and they are unbelievably tough. I have reason to know this from experience, but there are also videos out there on this. Knives like this can be made super strong and will not loosen up if made right. I, too, do not like linerless knives. I had a bad experience in a rescue with one. However, those G10 Cold Steel knives are unbelievable.

As to the comment above as to whether we want Buck to be like other companies, we could use that same logic and say that since the automobile was made first by Germans, Americans should not have them. Buck can, and should, learn from the advances of other companies. After all, it was Buck that first made them all learn from Buck.

Yeah, Cold Steel is releasing the Broken Skull and Benchmade the Crooked River. I'd love to see something between the two from Buck. Doesn't mean they have to cater to me, but all things being equal I'd rather give my money to them. Not sure why Buck fans find that upsetting.