"Fair means maximum" is an abuse of the English language. Can't find that definition anywhere.
But you had to have the last word and hurl some supposed insult at me.
To The Amazing Virginian, never a supposed insult.
Back on topic, anyone can sell their stuff for whatever price they can get. That doesn't necessarily mean they should, as in price gouging after a disaster, but I don't believe that applies to the situation at hand. Or does it? That's a rhetorical question.
LOL, what a great thread. Please don't close it.
I think that any cachet that GEC has would disappear if they went out of country. It's the whole 'handmade in the US' which appeals so much to a traditional market that values tradition. The collector market would vanish overnight of course, except for the pre move knives which would skyrocket.
This is true, and will remain so up. When's the last time anyone saw recently released Rough Rider models selling for $300+ on Ebay the week after they drop.
Totally disagree and I think most here would too. Start making these in a third world country but keep everything else exactly the same and desirability would drop like a rock.Really it has to do with availability. Rather than making only a few.
Really it has to do with availability. Rather than making only a few. Quality would stay the same or..
It may eve be possible that fit, finish and quality could go up AND producing more knives. The reason this thread exisits is because the markup from people who buy the few "popular model" knives that are released and then are able to mark them up due to supply is low and demand is high.
I think you're failing to account for perception and marketing. CNC machines can pump out knife parts blindingly fast and with high precision. If that's what Bill Howard wanted to do, I'm sure he could, but I'm just guessing that he's decided to make knives this way because he likes the old fashioned, hands-on method. For all I know, there could be a benefit to not relying on CNC machining. And of course, one could argue how many machines it takes before something isn't truly hand made anymore, but I think we can trust our guts on this one. For all intents and purposes, Mr. Howard is offering a handmade piece of Americana.
Also, country of origin isn't intrinsic to the quality of the knife, but it sure does count when you consider public perception of quality or authenticity. As an armchair business guy Colubrid, I think you're "fix" isn't really a fix- it ends up with GEC closing its doors because it loses the one thing that separates it from a lot of other companies; the connection to the people and the process.
That is the thing we are going backfull circle earlier in the thread. CNC vs hands on method. American labor vs outsourced labor.
As I read it, you keep suggesting changes is GEC production methods (machinery or location) as a method for driving down cost.
My point is merely that these are not viable options to drive cost down.
I'd rather we all (as a knife community) decide what a 1095 slip joint is worth and stick to our guns. I understand that's unreasonable but the alternative is to wait until people are unwilling to spend the money on grossly over-priced GECs.
Right. There are lots of good choices available to the knife buyer:That is the thing we are going backfull circle earlier in the thread. CNC vs hands on method. American labor vs outsourced labor.
Right. There are lots of good choices available to the knife buyer:
If I want a cheap, serviceable knife made in China, I buy a Rough Rider.
If I want a reasonably priced, machine made, easily obtainable knife, I buy a Victorinox.
If I want a traditional handmade knife, made in Titusville, PA, USA, I buy a Great Eastern.
No one will pay GEC prices for a Rough Rider. No one will buy a GEC made overseas. There may be other options to increase production (if that is what they want to do) but the suggestion that moving production overseas is an option for GEC, is laughable.
I only mentioned China because that's where Rough Riders are manufactured. My point was that Great Eastern Knives are made in Titusville Pennsylvania, and that is a large part of the appeal to collectors.I never mentioned China or Mexico in this thread. I think I stated "think outside the box". Then I made suggestions to Indonesia. I could eloborate more but the thread will drift.