Thoughts on buying Chinese knives

Way to go Fred, and you have my sincere support too!!! I do not have anything in particular against the chinese people, but the chinese government is a bunch of sneaky bastids. Arafat would fit right in there like a piece of the puzzle. As far as the quality of knives manufactured in China goes. Mostly junk in my opinion, but there are always exceptions to the rule. Big D1
 
I always wondered why the "Vapor" was so inexpensive!! I have one and think it's an very good knife for the money. Just don't tell us the "Chive" is made in China too or I think there would be alot BF members heartbroken:( -Rick
 
I own several chinese-origin folders and fixed blades, all of them are of high quality and one has actually maintained it's edge without sharpening and through heavy use for three years. Being in America, you can choose to buy and sell what you like, but I would hope that people wouldn't treat China like the entire population is out to destroy the world. You may dislike the government, but it's not the government that produces these knives. Also, most of the profits for these products are paid back as wages and other costs for the producers involved. Again, it's your option, but boycotting the sale of chinese knives doesn't hurt or hinder it's government in any way.
 
Originally posted by Knife Outlet
I just finished discontinuing the Kershaw Vapor from our website after learning that it is now made in red China. I've been trying to get our website completely clean of Chinese products and I think we're almost there. there may be a few China products left but not many and we still have over 3000 products left to sell. (I don't include Taiwan with red China. I consider Taiwan a friend fo the U.S.)

But I think I'm in a small minority of people who think China is at least a competitor if not an enemy of the U.S. and Americans shouldn't buy Chinese products. It appears most of the rest of the country feels fine about it. How do you feel?
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Outstanding. I avoid "Made in China" routinely. Too many of the Chinese products we see here directly support the Red Army -- just follow the money. They are definitely our competitors in the world market and I believe we will eventually be forced to go head-to-head with them militarily.

In the meantime they feel quite free to sell missiles and missile technology to whomever will pay, usually someone with an axe to grind against the U.S. Their national aganda includes doing what they need to retake Taiwan. The EP-3E incident and their response to their pilot's poor judgement just demonstrated what I've believed all along.

As far as knives are concerned, if you follow Kershaw's contract back you will probably find a Red Army front company. It's just the nature of the way the current Chinese government system works. Kershaw sees the bottom line profit increase slightly; the Chinese can afford to give the better deal because they have all that cheap/free labor. I'll never own a knife that's "Made in China".

Thanks for your effort.
 
I guess I see China as the enemy of the future. Its starting already. I don't know of too many knives made in Red China, that I want. As to products in general from Red China? Given a choice I would avoid them, but sometimes you cant. But before we get too all high and mighty we might consider its not only what we buy from them that's a problem, but what we sell. Like high end tooling and computers that end up in making weapons of mass destruction. Allowing them to launch our satellites and assisting them with their crummy rockets to do so. We are selling them the recipe that will be our own undoing. But its more important to make a buck. At least the current administration has cracked down. Knives from China are the least of our worries. Whats a good example of one anyway? I thought they were the POS's you see in a dish for 50 cents at gas stations. Just talking PRC here.
 
Way to go Fred!
Buy American as much as possible but at least from America friendly countries.
Fred you just moved way up my list while Ken Onion has been removed from it.
There is a reason most of my Chinese friends moved to America.
 
I am an American of Chinese descent and I will be the first to say to hell with the damn commi bastards. They can all go eat S@#T. They supplied the NVA. They make the AK's and other weapons that supply the enemies of the US. They supply the North Korean commi bastards. Who knows what other groups they supply?

However, it is the form of government and the individual government officials that I personally have a beef with. They are all hipocrites that, for a doctirne that emphasizes equality, have very little equlity. The damn premier get chaufeurred around in a Mercedes.

As for the knives, I think that you also have to look at the company that decided to establish the business in China. There ae many companies moving thier manufacturing facitlities to China. Why? it's cheaper. Why is it cheaper? Because labor is cheaper. So what does that mean? It means profits. It is the company that benefits. Otherwise why be in business at all? We can talk about morality, human right, doctrine all we want, but in the end, money talks. Companies like Kershaw, are in business to make money, like most if not all businesses. Am I wrong? If you want to boycott knives made in China, great, but it is not just China. China did not decide to open a manufacturing facitlity there; the company did.

How many knives do you own that are made in China? The only ones I have are my cheap-ass steak knives and a cleaver. Actaully, they're my mom's. The only other ones I know of are those cheap ass knives you see on HSN and the Hanwei stuff. Paul Chen, incidently, and correct me if I'm wrong, is from Taiwan.

And speaking about Taiwan. China's agenda of re-unification with Taiwan is an Fn' dream. Taiwan, though not recognized officially as a country, has operated as an independant country for 40 years and will remain so. Taiwan, though having some short-comings as to the government, is a democracy, and should be supported by us (the United States).

Commi bastards die!
 
As the father of two young boys, who may have to fight them some day, I'd like to thank each one of you who refuses to give his money to those murderous bastards. Thank you.
 
China is not our friend. Regardless of how the people of the country feel, the government is not on our side, but is specifically against us. The reason we treat with them is because we have this hope we can change them. Maybe we can, I don't know. But they act against our export policies almost daily. I'm aware of several cases where PRC citizens have been caught illegally exporting US military technology. They're not doing it because they love us. They want our missile, nuclear, CNC and any other technology they can get.

I see no reason to deliberately buy Chinese (not Taiwan) products. Taiwan is another matter - I support them. But why buy from a communist country? It's not like you can't get knives made in the U.S., Japan, Taiwan, etc. that are better quality and comparable in price.

If you think money that goes to China is not totally or partially going into the hand of the communist government, you are living in a dream world. The same is true here. Everything is taxed in the U.S. Do you think there are not similar policies in China?

Good job, Fred & Knife Outlet!

Dean
 
All talk of politics and slave labor aside, plain old common sense and self interest keeps me from buying metal products made in Red China. Having looked at some of their very poorly made steel products, I can't see why this is really an issue. Why would anyone buy a wedge they suspect will shatter as soon as they hit it, a hammer or an ax that will chip, a knife or wrench that will break in hard use? $3 hammers? If it were me working on that slave labor assembly line I guarantee the QC would go to hell every time the guy with the whip turned his back...I wouldn't want any friend of mine to use a hammer made with slave labor.

Metal slivers flying around the room are not worth saving a few bucks. We've only got one pair of eyes so don't buy poorly made metallurgy.
 
What you save on Chinese-made goods, your children will pay for!
Thanks, Fred. Never had any special reason to buy from you before, but I do now.
 
When I was a kid, the same arguments that I've read here were being directed towards Japan. Some wouldn't buy that cheap stuff because of WW II, some wouldn't sell that cheap stuff that took money out of the US, others,,,,,,, well you get the drift.

In twenty years the quality will be up to par, if not better than the same thing we make and that cheap stuff will be excepted.

Much ado about naught. IMHO.

Steve
 
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I totally agree with Ras, most of the companies run in China are used as a front for their military. Some companies have been shut down in the last few years, but there's still a buttload of them around. I always try to never buy anything made in china, it's something I've pushed on my wife, also. As for knives, no way !! I buy only knives & guns (weapons) made in the USA.
As for the future, yep, we will slug it out sometime in the next 10-25 years. By then , I'll have retired from the military, but I sure hope that are present and future military & political leaders don't lose site of the ball. Stay focused on the BIG threat, which is china. They supply & support all the little enemies of our country.
I have nothing against the people of china, nothing racial, etc. But in the end, you've gotta protect one's home turf.
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You know what I enjoy when a topic like this comes up? The "intelligent" posts that follow.

I've known peopel who won't buy a knife made in Japan bec. of WWII, qualilty and logic certainly takes a back seat to emotion. Pretty much what I'm seeing here.

So let me post this to you: how many of you that regard China negatively have any direct experiences with the country, politics or other aspects, which are not from sensationalist media?

I've yet to see anyone who says all they will buy is american actuallyl meet that goal (and I know quite a few in the shooting-circle who's been saying that for years). But I suppose an impossible goal is always nice to have, something to aim for if nothing else.

my bottom line: you don't like it, don't buy it, but try to refrain from posting things you have no clue about, leave that to the media.
 
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