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Thoughts on the new GLOCK 42?
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Having done tests of my own I can say that a 9mm delayed blowback like the P7 will recoil like a 380 , NOT like a 22 ! Everyone that shot my P7 agreed ! The P7 has the same length as the Remington though heavier with steel frame rather than the Rem's aluminum frame.
I hate that bit of over-repeated nonsense. What is more sensible is to find a balance between what you perceive the risk is,
and what you think is reasonable to pack around to mitigate that risk. I CCW. But I sure ain't gonna CCW a full size .45, because
what I CCW is smaller, lighter, and in my opinion, adequate to handle any situation I am LIKELY to encounter. LIKELY being the key phrase.
If someone invented a device guaranteed to keep you from being hit by lightning, and it was the size, shape, and weight of a 1911, would you pack it around?
I wouldn't. Don't need the "comforting". Need the "comfortable".
But anyone who subscribes to your theory, and packs around an uncomfortable weapon, just to "comfort" themselves against a very unlikely threat, maybe they would?
Back on topic. If the Glock 380 was around 3-4 years ago when I bought my Kahr, I might have looked at one. Too late now.
I wonder if the quote you're referring to comes from the same fella (JC) who called 9mm "inconsequential" or something along those lines. After all, the people who designed the 9mm Parabellum knew nothing about firearms..
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Yes it will be a flop but i believe that they started with the .380 to only be able to go up in caliber from there.
It's not going to flop. They may be 5 years behind the LCP curve. But that's a really popular platform. And if it's as bullet proof as the rest of their guns, then it's got a leg up on every other pocket gun out there.
Think about it.
If you're a glock guy, you don't have to learn a new platform.
Breakdown is simple
All their other guys fire no matter what.
And it fits in a pocket. As long as it's not 600 bucks it's gonna be a winner...
Think about it.
If you're a glock guy, you don't have to learn a new platform.
Breakdown is simple
All their other guys fire no matter what.
And it fits in a pocket. As long as it's not 600 bucks it's gonna be a winner...
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No, because its 100% true.
Convenience (ease of carry, not having to dress around the gun, not having a chunk of steel hanging off your belt, etc.) is as important a factor as caliber, reliability, and everything else. If you don't have the gun, it doesn't matter what its purported stopping power is. This is just a benign fact.
I started out with Glocks some 25 or so years ago, and own 11 of them. I carried them for years, and carried everything else too from 1911s to CZs to S&W to you name it. But over time, my back started to hurt and I got dang tired of my gun banging into door frames and getting grabbed by Aunt Martha when she gives you a hug. So for 10 years at least, I've been doing nothing but pocket carry. I don't advocate it for anyone else, and we all make these kinds of choices. But ease of carry (convenience) is a major factor governing how many of us carry, especially as you get over 50 years old and you no longer put with the hog crap of carrying a 45 ounce gun and 3 mags. I am perfectly capable of altering someone's behavior with a .380 or a "pocket 9".
But my thesis, I guess, is that while ease of carry is not on your top 10 list, it is on mine - as well as that of everyone else who are buying those zillions of Kahrs, Kel-tecs, and other small pistols.
Btw, I am completely in favor of the new Glock. Its about time that they enter this market.
Five rounds of spicy .38 is is okay with me.
It amazes me how many people don't seem to have a basic understanding of physics. Maybe I'm missing something, but how can a 90gr bullet achieve the same penetration as one in 147gr or 230gr? Physics tells me it isn't possible. Not to mention that while the .380 may sometimes be effective, it doesn't have the proven track record of the service calibers. That matters to me and is a big consideration in my decision on what to trust my life to.
But if the .380 round is truly just as good as the service calibers, why don't LEO's and the military carry it? Don't the same considerations apply to them as to someone who carries for self-protection?
But if the .380 round is truly just as good as the service calibers, why don't LEO's and the military carry it? Don't the same considerations apply to them as to someone who carries for self-protection?
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Why would anyone waste time with a .45 when .44 Magnum and .50 AE are readily available, albeit not as comfortable to carry or shoot?
Why would anyone waste time with a .45 when .44 Magnum and .50 A&E are readily available, albeit not as comfortable to carry or shoot?
Good question. At that point you start getting into whether or not you can carry it concealed. If someone made a Desert Eagle in .50 that was easy to conceal without printing, I'd be all over it.
But my question still stands. Why don't LEOs and the military carry .380, or .22, or .32?
I think they go by single-shot stopping statistics. The military may have some political/supply reasons as well. Plus, both entities have to carry guns for a living, so might as well carry something that produces definitive results. Apparently .357 and .45 ACP are way up there among common (at one time) police calibers, in terms of stopping power. I always wondered what the numbers would have been for let's say being shot once with a .45 vs being shot twice or three times with a .380? .380 is probably one of those calibers that a person carries with the realization that they most likely will never need it, kinda like those European detectives of the days gone by.
I was surprised to see this. A sub-gun in .380:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC-11
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Sir you are demonstrating your misunderstanding of physics. Bullet weight has little to do with penetration. I use a 55 gr. round that will out penetrate ANY pistol cartridge. I've seen a 55 gr. round go through a tail gate of a pickup, completely through the cab and dashboard and exit through the top of the truck's hood. How does this happen? it has LOTS more propellant behind it, it's fired through a longer barrel (thus taking the best advantage of the propellant/gas). Given it's velocity is MUCH higher but it demonstrates the fallacy of bullet weight idea. I will tell you this; if you are shot with a 230gr .45 cal though any point in your CNS (Spine or brain) or you are shot with a 90 gr .380 in the same location, the effect will probably be the same. Like wise if you are shot in the heart with either round or the lung with either round, the effect will be the same. The only issue I have with .380 is that it has shown to be unreliable with extremely fat bastards or people wearing extra thick clothing. If this was the case, center mass becomes second choice. Again, it's shot placement...
Why don't leo's carry .380? Pretty simple, LEO's run into all kinds of scenarios such as shooting through doors, walls, people wearing thick clothing, et al. They need a round with the best performance under MOST circumstances. Also, since most LEO's don't have to worry about concealment, they don't have to carry a .380. Off duty? I know MANY LEO's that carry .380. Bottom line is, carry what YOU want and what YOU are comfortable with and what you have trained with. I've seen people die from everything from .22 to a 12ga slug and guess what, none of them were more dead than the other.
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What amazes me is that your still debating a point no one is arguing!
Why doesn't uniformed LEO use .380, that's because we, and I speak from 1st hand knowledge as an active LEO, are not bound by the need to conceal our sidearm. And that is the uniformed division. I can tell you again, from 1st hand experience and knowledge, that MANY UC's and some Detectives carry .380's. So for you to say LEO's don't carry .380's on duty is false, PERIOD.
Your thoughts on the .380 round are your opinion and you are entitled to them, just as my opinion or your arguments being absurd, at best, are mine to have.
Have a good day and stay safe
Why doesn't uniformed LEO use .380, that's because we, and I speak from 1st hand knowledge as an active LEO, are not bound by the need to conceal our sidearm. And that is the uniformed division. I can tell you again, from 1st hand experience and knowledge, that MANY UC's and some Detectives carry .380's. So for you to say LEO's don't carry .380's on duty is false, PERIOD.
Your thoughts on the .380 round are your opinion and you are entitled to them, just as my opinion or your arguments being absurd, at best, are mine to have.
Have a good day and stay safe
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Ah, now see, that's a different kettle of fish entirely. LEOs and the military deliberately place themselves in harm's way as part of their job. The odds of them actually using deadly force is much higher than a civilian. Plus, as someone else pointed out, they don't have to carry concealed.
I'm not saying the .380 is the ideal cartridge for everything, but for those occasions when you are dressing light and still want to carry a piece, I think that will be an excellent solution. Personally I would choose the Glock 26, but I wouldn't feel under-gunned with the 42. It still beats a can of pepper spray!
I'm not saying the .380 is the ideal cartridge for everything, but for those occasions when you are dressing light and still want to carry a piece, I think that will be an excellent solution. Personally I would choose the Glock 26, but I wouldn't feel under-gunned with the 42. It still beats a can of pepper spray!
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Not gonna lie I will probably drink the kool-aid on the 42 and pick one up. As much as I would rather it be a 9mm I feel as though this is a market that Glock should be in regardless of how behind the curve they are on it.
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