I can't waste any more of my time in this subforum. This is something I've been threatening quietly to myself and a few close friends for some time now so its not new. But I woke up this morning and today seems like the day. Its no secret that some participants in shop talk have driven away many quality, seasoned and knowledgeable makers for a long time now, leaving many to wonder why. I don't consider myself even remotely in the same field as some of the greats that used to post here but don't anymore. Nor do I feel I had a ton of knowledge to share. But I don't want anyone to have to wonder why I'm choosing to not participate here any further. This place has become a muddled wasteland of bad information, inflated egos and pointless nonsense. There is so little good sound factual info left that it isn't worth sorting through the bad info anymore. There are more than a few internet 'experts' that give advice on every topic under the sun yet can't or won't provide a single clear photo example to prove they know what they're talking about, much less ever even attempted the topic at hand......some even when asked directly for such, offering excuses instead or leaving radio silence. Proven experienced knowledgeable veterans are allowed to be repeatedly hassled by ameteur trolls that should have been banned long ago. There is a gross lack of discernment between levels of craftsmanship and being self-aware of one's skill sets is largely a long lost attribute. There is a serious lack of leadership to go along with the lack of factual info. If I was seeking good knifemaking info, this is not the place I'd turn to. I feel sorry for the new maker seeking real knowledge that stumbles in here and has to wade through the aforementioned rubbish to find the few nuggets of truth that are still offered up by the few knowledgeable experts that are still graciously willing to waste their time here. So these are the reasons that I just won't do it anymore. Good luck folks.