Tip Troubles

Double tap...again!
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Sorry.

Ron@SOG

[This message has been edited by Ron@SOG (edited 02-12-2001).]
 
I had a SOG Para Tool where one of the liners failed. SOG replaced the part, at no cost, I'm
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SOG products for their price are sound in my book. I'm sure they do have the odd failure as their production is quite high, (medium manufacturer). Steel does fail whatever precausions you try. If you want better then you have to go up the next stage, Chris Reeve or Busse etc, but pay hugely fo it. Even then it could happen.

I must admit when a failure has happened, it has usually done so within a week or two. Thinner blades that have some give, tell you when you are over doing it, they flex. Thick blades give no feedback before breaking. Thick best blades need real power to have any reaction at all; maybe I'm not that strong. You take a chance with any custom knife, and can only rely on reputation - you hope.

Steel is steel, we are not talking light sabres here.

Cliff has a point, there is need to question. Just to keep you manufacturers on your toes. Where's the fun staying still.

PS: I'd prefer a manufacturer to push the boundaries than build everthing bullet proof. If there weren't a few failures I'd want to know why.

[This message has been edited by GREENJACKET (edited 02-12-2001).]
 
I've just got to say this to Ron@ SOG after reading this.
BRING OUT THE FIELD KNIFE THAT I SAW IN THE SHOT SHOW PICTURES!!!

I like this design, but won't buy the X-42 because: (1) it's a geo-tanto tip; (2) it has serrations. Bring out the Field Knife, and I might be able to overlook the serrations. Bring it out without serrations, and it's virtually certain one will find its way into my stable immediately.

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iktomi
 
Rockspyder,

Hummm....beautiful prototype, huh?
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We'll have to see. We are hoping to bring it to production....and without serrations. I haven't heard any final word.

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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.

Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com

[This message has been edited by Ron@SOG (edited 02-12-2001).]
 
Ron :

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">when we have customers stabbing their knife as far as they can into wood, then strongly prying, a breakage can happen.</font>
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Ron this is not the same thing that you said earlier :

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Usually, we do not recommend stabbing one's knife into wood. That does constitute misuse</font>
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There is a *huge* difference between stabbing a knife into a piece of wood and pulling it out and doing a hard pull to the side once it is deeply imbedded in the wood. The discussion here was only about stabbing - not lateral pulls. To imply otherwise, that you were defending against the use of the knife in a much more stressful use hardly gives me confidence in SOG's cutlery.

And I ask again, what is the point of using such a thickness of steel, with such an obtuse points geometry if stabbing it into wood is a misuse? What is the point of all that steel? If the knife is simply to be used for low stress cutting then make something like the Deerhunter from A. G. Russel which will not only cut circles around the X-42 due to the *much* thinner geometry it will also take stabs into soft Pine without any problems - as will a Swiss Army knife.

Now in regards to hard pulls which make the blade experience a prying stress, yes, if you pry hard enough then you can snap off any blade. However, again the issue of the geometry of the X-42 comes into play. I would be very interested to see what kind of wood had the necessary internal binding strength to hold together and break off a piece of tempered stainless steel and from experiece, the kind of force it would take to drive a blade deep enough in wood of that strength (and therefore density) is hardly going to be a casual effort, that is a focused driven stab.

As an example of tip breakage or lack thereof, with the Fallniven S1, I could do hard prys with no problem on 1/2" and 3/4" deep stabs. The blade is 0.125" and 0.15" thick at those points and it is not tanto ground. On the deeper stabs, the side pulls would split the wood (a 2x6") apart and it took a fair amount of force to do this. It was not something I could do casually as the above description from Tag strongly indicates.

-Cliff
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ron@SOG:
We are hoping to bring it to production....and without serrations. I haven't heard any final word.</font>
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Please, oh please. That would be sweet!

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Most dog owners are at length able to teach themselves to obey their dog. - Robert Morley

iktomi
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rockspyder:
BRING OUT THE FIELD KNIFE THAT I SAW IN THE SHOT SHOW PICTURES!!!
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What knife are you talking about? Do you have a link?

Other than that, Spyder I'm with you
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I think Ron remembers all my complaints and asking/requesting/begging for non tanto blades, especially XRAY and recondo...


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Check it out, Gator97, at equipped.com:
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It's sweet!

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The most affectionate creature in the world is a wet dog. - Ambrose Bierce
Most dog owners are at length able to teach themselves to obey their dog. - Robert Morley

iktomi
 
As a followup, I received Tag's knife here today. About 1/4" of the tip was broken off (not 1/2" at the thickest part as previously thought). After review and testing, the Recondo was found defective and will be replaced. This is the first break that we know of and is likely isolated to this knife.

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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.

Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com
 
For what it's worth, I just saw this thread, so I wandered out into the garage with my Night Vision folder, which I think has the general blade shape as the fixed-blade being discussed here. Except of course the folder has a thinner blade, and it's ATS-34. I just slammed it about 10 times into pine, with a force I'd describe as "pretty hard", and purposely pried the knife out side-to-side to put maximum force on the tip. I didn't have any breakage.

Lock held up nice, too!

Not apples-to-apples, since that fixed blade probably gets a lot more penetration, but I thought I'd give another data point.

Joe
 
The results of our evaluation of Tag's knife was that the Rc was 61.5 (right were we want it...we have Rc62 stamped on the blade as the targeted hardness). What we saw was an imperfection in the break surface which made that area of the point weak. The knife overall did not shows signs of misuse or abuse which would typically lead to a broken tip. So in this case, it was a minor flaw that has been taken care of under warranty.



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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.

Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com
 
Dude...I am having tip troubles too! As a solution I recomend a Mill Bastard. Check it out how my second Trailmaker did at link under testing that goes like this...
"Full Story on the catastrophic failure of Marbles 7"Trailmaker."


I completely sympathize man, but you can fix it yourself. Or is it like, toast? -Sporty

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Sorry, missed the second page... so the above comments are out of order. Just imagine that I made them in the heat of controversy.

Rock on Ron. Everyone wins. Blades fail. !@## happens. Sog Navy Seal is next on my list!
 
no offense sporty, but why would I want to regrind my knife when I can have it taken care of under warrenty?
 
Well Done, Ron! That field knife looks sweet! What size is it? Ambi sheath?

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[This message has been edited by fudo (edited 03-21-2001).]
 
Hey Fudo,

Thanks for the kind words. Check the SOG forum for its latest status.

Regard size, it should be the exact same length as the Recondo, at 5". Flat or very slightly hollow ground (making it a thinner, ligher blade). Same handle, blade material, and blade thickness.

Regarding sheath...don't know. If I were to guess: 50%-50% either leather or Kydex. I know I'm of no help.
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In this one, I don't have any "inside scoop." Though I've played with the prototype, I can't remeber seeing a sheath. We often just use cardboard-type sheaths around the office. In SOG's most recent line, philosophy for sheath selection seems to favor tactical knives in Kydex while either traditional (like the SOG Bowie replica/SOG Tech) or field (like the Northwest Ranger) knives in leather. Where does that put a unique hybrid knife like this (high-tech materials, tactical grip, field blade design)? I wouldn't bet on this one! How about some votes? I don't mind this staying here (but that's up to this forum's moderators), but this might be more SOG Forum oriented...feel free to head there.

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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.

Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com

[This message has been edited by Ron@SOG (edited 03-22-2001).]
 
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