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T- I was thinking if Brian wanted to try it I could have lent him mine to use. It is intact, but scratched, and well used. I took off the cord to use for some lashing, but it can be put on.
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Cant wait to see your review of it Brian, Like LG&M I to am interested
in the saw teeth too and what you think of the, As I took my version
of the wilderness survival knife into the Mill shop last Friday where I am
having them double saw teeth milled into my WSK.
Bryan
in the saw teeth too and what you think of the, As I took my version
of the wilderness survival knife into the Mill shop last Friday where I am
having them double saw teeth milled into my WSK.
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I have used this style of saw teeth (on my wsk), and IMO they work pretty well as compared to other versions.
They tend to saw rather than 'chip' or 'rake' like teeth found on knives like the Buckmaster etc.
The split teeth as found on the Lile FB and similar are slightly better than the buckmaster, but only marginally.
Really looking forward to the review.
They tend to saw rather than 'chip' or 'rake' like teeth found on knives like the Buckmaster etc.
The split teeth as found on the Lile FB and similar are slightly better than the buckmaster, but only marginally.
Really looking forward to the review.
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evidently, it is not cool to A: have an opinion about knives, magazines or makers, and/or, B: to express your opinion.
Either one gets you attacked.
Either one gets you attacked.
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evidently, it is not cool to A: have an opinion about knives, magazines or makers, and/or, B: to express your opinion.
Either one gets you attacked.
Haven't seen anyone get attacked in this thread.
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I haven't had a chance to do anything but study it and take a few preliminary photos, but the saw will be one of the earlier experiments.
Hey man thanks for the offer, I really appreciate that. I almost wrote you and asked, but I wasn't sure if you were still in the country or off traveling, so just decided to order one for myself. I have liked the concept of the hollow handled survival knife for about thirty years. And yes, lot a lot of people that started with first blood in 1982 when I was 17. I had never seen a Randall #18 at the time. I worked my way through several cheap ones made by: Frost Cutlery, United, Explorer, and they all broke too easily. I thought the Explorer Rambo knife was the coolest knife I had ever seen at the time, but how easily it snapped broke my heart and infuriated me. Then found the Marto Explora. It was more expensive than the others...though the Explorer Rambo copy wasn't exactly cheap to me at $100.00 in 1985. The short Marto Explora, designed by Charles Brewer Carias, that I bought in the late 80s was the first one to actually give me faith in the concept. The knife was pretty awesome to me at the time, it was a ot tougher than the others, had a much better saw, had some pretty complex additions like the inclinometer etched in the blade, came with a small novel with a wealth of information as an instruction manual. It also came with a decent survival kit in the handle, including a small ferro rod. I was glad it was as solid as it was, since it cost me a couple hundred bucks. Then I saw the CRKs and liked the one piece idea even better. It was actually with a cheaper knock off of the CRKs that I saw just how tough that concept could be. I saw the first pictures of Newt Martin's hollow handles a while back and fell in love all over again. I had been, and still am actually, hoping to save up the money for an MCEII. Seeing one of their designs in production at a more affordable price was great, it gave me a chance to check out their concept without breaking myself. I have had a few of Boker's productions of other makers knives, and they have so far stayed true to the designs.
Thanks Bryan, I'm looking forward to it also. The saw teeth remind me a little of the saw on the Explora and on the SAK, just not as sharp as the SAK teeth.
I have used similar saws as well, and looking forward to it also.
evidently, it is not cool to A: have an opinion about knives, magazines or makers, and/or, B: to express your opinion.
Either one gets you attacked.
I have re-read the entire thread and have yet to see any attacks, but just lots of opinions. I thought we were behaving very well
. But yes opinions are very cool to have, it gives us food for discussions, and open debate. Pretty sure a few expected the attacks to start, I saw Esav cruising through a time or two, but I am glad that so far we have been mature enough to avoid them. I think the OP just expressed an honest opinion and an honest question, and so far others have tried to maintain that spirit. OK cool, it's not just me not seeing it.
Good thread! Had an opportunity to handle one this weekend. I think the sheath has a lot to be desired, but the knife is built like a tank. Doesn't look tacticool to me at all. Practical and tough. Besides, I believe tacticool is a mentality not the knife you use.
I picked this knife up and said to myself, "I'd love to buy this but, 'I can't even get a job parking cars!' "
The words, "They drew first blood" echoed in the dark corners of my mind.
"What do you hunt with a knife?"
"Name it."
"Found this on him. Says he uses it for hunting"
"What are ya hunting? Elephant?"
I picked this knife up and said to myself, "I'd love to buy this but, 'I can't even get a job parking cars!' "
The words, "They drew first blood" echoed in the dark corners of my mind.
"What do you hunt with a knife?"
"Name it."
"Found this on him. Says he uses it for hunting"
"What are ya hunting? Elephant?"
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The knife is definitely built like a tank! Of that series of movies I definitely like the first one best. I hear some of those same ecoes when I handle this knife too. Really hope to get one of the MCEIIs one day. The approach to the psychology of First Blood...though hollywood-ized to h_ll and back...really put a few things I'd seen in my early teen years into perspective, and gave me a better understanding of my uncles and their behavior.
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Well, after initial tests I'd say they are a good design for a tactical survival type knife. They are not unidirectional so they cut on both push and pull motions. They do cut well in bamboo, they do decent at notching green woods, the teeth are pretty well self cleaning and do clean up easily. I think they will do even better in dry dead wood, and if I ever get to see a piece of dry dead wood again I will check. The fullers serve not only to reduce weight, but also reduce friction when sawing. Also I think being shallower than some saw teeth, that they are less likely to create serious issues during extrication of the blade in CQC than some other saw teeth designs would. The straight handle dose make using the saw a bit easier than some of the more contoured handles on saw-backed knives. It doesn't buzz through wood like the saw of an SAK or a Laplander, but it will easily handle any sawing necessary for notching to make traps and trap trigger parts, or for lashing poles together for a shelter or a raft, while saving the primary edge for other tasks. Which is mostly what I would use a saw like this for. I wouldn't exactly want to saw logs with any saw spine. There is a reason these types of knives are called "survival" knives and not "primitive-living" knives
I'm still a ways from a complete review, but so far my results are closely mirroring RB's, and the tests I put it through today leave me feeling really good about the knife. 
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I'm working on it man
I'd like to see what you can fit in the handle, I am sure you will include that but just in case.
Oh, I'm all over that too
I have roughly 2-1/2" x 7/8" space to work with and things are already in motion there.
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Mist, great pics as usual.
Definitely a heavy guard, but it offers a lot of hand protection in use under heavy stress or severely fatigued, so I get the design concept.
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Oh, and by the way...the above mentioned tests are referring to experiments in lateral stresses, and liking the results
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This knife is just screaming for a more typical Martin Knives sheath with their attachment options.
Here’s a Halibis Bush Tool with some sheath additions, including the Martin Knives accessory attachment
Of course another of the Martin brother’s designs, the Bushcraft Tactical and a slightly modified accessory attachment; they do have the ability to produce a much more versatile sheath for the Apparo.
They are now making some very good Kydex and leather hybrid sheaths that will take their accessory pouches. I’m always torn on sheath utility. You first want a robust sheath to protect both you and the knife, but you want it simple enough to easily access or re-sheath. You can easily over do attachments and additions (my Habilis knife is approaching that), and you don’t want all your “eggs in one basket”. Still having a “sheath-system” is a good option. Lastly, you want simple and secure carry options. Belt mounted is pretty standard, but having the ability to mount at different angles, different platforms (think MOLLE webbing) or even having the ability to drop the belt attachment below a pack’s waist belt can be very beneficial depending on your activities.
It’s good to see the saw has some utility. I still kind of prefer having a SAK or multitool back a larger knife up and their saws are much more efficient in some regards. Again, if we always carried the appropriate tool for the specified task we wouldn’t need knives like the Apparo; different strokes for different folks…I still like the ability to choose a single knife/tool or multiple.
Lastly, since knives like the Apparo are often a “one-tool” knife, don’t forget to do a little food prep in the kitchen. It’s a cutting tool after all, and slicing, dicing, trimming, maybe even gutting and skinning are all important despite the more attractive “Rambo” knife requirements.
Looking forward to more Brian!
ROCK6
Here’s a Halibis Bush Tool with some sheath additions, including the Martin Knives accessory attachment
Of course another of the Martin brother’s designs, the Bushcraft Tactical and a slightly modified accessory attachment; they do have the ability to produce a much more versatile sheath for the Apparo.
They are now making some very good Kydex and leather hybrid sheaths that will take their accessory pouches. I’m always torn on sheath utility. You first want a robust sheath to protect both you and the knife, but you want it simple enough to easily access or re-sheath. You can easily over do attachments and additions (my Habilis knife is approaching that), and you don’t want all your “eggs in one basket”. Still having a “sheath-system” is a good option. Lastly, you want simple and secure carry options. Belt mounted is pretty standard, but having the ability to mount at different angles, different platforms (think MOLLE webbing) or even having the ability to drop the belt attachment below a pack’s waist belt can be very beneficial depending on your activities.
It’s good to see the saw has some utility. I still kind of prefer having a SAK or multitool back a larger knife up and their saws are much more efficient in some regards. Again, if we always carried the appropriate tool for the specified task we wouldn’t need knives like the Apparo; different strokes for different folks…I still like the ability to choose a single knife/tool or multiple.
Lastly, since knives like the Apparo are often a “one-tool” knife, don’t forget to do a little food prep in the kitchen. It’s a cutting tool after all, and slicing, dicing, trimming, maybe even gutting and skinning are all important despite the more attractive “Rambo” knife requirements.
Looking forward to more Brian!
ROCK6