To any Kershaw representative regarding the ZT 0804CF

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PURPLEDC said:
Its just common sense. Most ti clips are bent. And stamped out. Machining takes more time and creates more waste. If you know how these things are manufactured you don't need it spelled out for you. More work, more time and more waste equals higher cost.
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“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”


― Christopher Hitchens
 
As a small business guy, I applaud ZT's MAP program. I have products in my business that are SUPPOSED to have a MAP but no one follows the rules and the manufacturers are too lazy/greedy to enforce their threats. That means that my brick and mortar store drops some of these products because competing with online drop-shippers for razor thin margins isn't worth my time or investment.

ZT holding dealers to a MAP has actually meant that a B&M shop in my area has picked up the ZT and Kershaw lines. Had they not, I probably would have never gotten a ZT. Dropping $240 on something I can't handle first isn't something I tend to do.
So, I walk into their store, handle the 0452 for about 45 seconds, thumb out my cash and walk out grinning.
Two weeks later, I decide I need that 350st. Walk in, 60 seconds later, walk out $135 poorer but happy. Another couple of weeks, man that Launch 2 for under 90 bucks looks like it would be fun. Buy that. Then the 909 I saw while buying the Launch keeps calling to me. I head back in and get that one too.

So, by ZT holding everyone to that same price point, a B&M sporting goods shop took a chance on carrying high end HD folders in an area where a Buck 110 is usually the fanciest knife you see. Because they stocked them (again due to MAP), I felt comfortable buying them upon inspection. They didn't invest a ton on their stock either. I believe I have purchased a quarter of their inventory;) I'm told new knives are coming in soon, so I'm sure I'll be back when I get the itch again in a couple of months.

Screwing around and skirting the MAP, imho, only hurts everyone. The internet is such a cutthroat place to do business as it is.
 
Mikael Andersson said:
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”


― Christopher Hitchens
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No. It just means if you want proof you can find it yourself. You are the one asking for things and not wanting to put the work in to find the answers. Proving you wrong isn't exactly high on my list of sunday priorities. You asked the questions and don't like the answers so now you are playing games. I don't care enough about you not knowing things to educate you. If you want me to teach you something you are gonna have to make it worth my while. What I can and what I will do are two different things. But if you cant see how a titanium clip that needs to be machined out of 1/2" titanium stock would cost more than a titanium clip stamped and bent out of 1/8" sheet without spelling it out for you then I will just live with you continuing to not know stuff.
 
Mikael Andersson said:
Damn man you crack me up! :D
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I fail to see how this cracks you up? It's basic economics. They'd be experiencing a loss while incurring higher costs and labor. That's why they don't do it. It's not in their best interest.
 
Steely_Gunz said:
As a small business guy, I applaud ZT's MAP program. I have products in my business that are SUPPOSED to have a MAP but no one follows the rules and the manufacturers are too lazy/greedy to enforce their threats. That means that my brick and mortar store drops some of these products because competing with online drop-shippers for razor thin margins isn't worth my time or investment.

ZT holding dealers to a MAP has actually meant that a B&M shop in my area has picked up the ZT and Kershaw lines. Had they not, I probably would have never gotten a ZT. Dropping $240 on something I can't handle first isn't something I tend to do.
So, I walk into their store, handle the 0452 for about 45 seconds, thumb out my cash and walk out grinning.
Two weeks later, I decide I need that 350st. Walk in, 60 seconds later, walk out $135 poorer but happy. Another couple of weeks, man that Launch 2 for under 90 bucks looks like it would be fun. Buy that. Then the 909 I saw while buying the Launch keeps calling to me. I head back in and get that one too.

So, by ZT holding everyone to that same price point, a B&M sporting goods shop took a chance on carrying high end HD folders in an area where a Buck 110 is usually the fanciest knife you see. Because they stocked them (again due to MAP), I felt comfortable buying them upon inspection. They didn't invest a ton on their stock either. I believe I have purchased a quarter of their inventory;) I'm told new knives are coming in soon, so I'm sure I'll be back when I get the itch again in a couple of months.

Screwing around and skirting the MAP, imho, only hurts everyone. The internet is such a cutthroat place to do business as it is.
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It's capitalism - the seller who sells the cheapest makes the most sales. ;)
 
PURPLEDC said:
No. It just means if you want proof you can find it yourself. You are the one asking for things and not wanting to put the work in to find the answers. Proving you wrong isn't exactly high on my list of sunday priorities. You asked the questions and don't like the answers so now you are playing games. I don't care enough about you not knowing things to educate you. If you want me to teach you something you are gonna have to make it worth my while. What I can and what I will do are two different things. But if you cant see how a titanium clip that needs to be machined out of 1/2" titanium stock would cost more than a titanium clip stamped and bent out of 1/8" sheet without spelling it out for you then I will just live with you continuing to not know stuff.
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That was a long rant saying that you won't back up your claim.

Dismissed!
 
And now I understand what made the Kershaw representative leave this forum.

Being constantly trolled, harassed and belittled by Spyderco fanboys can be no fun in the long run.
 
Mikael Andersson said:
No, the trolling is all you and this thread is my thread and not your thread.
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You aren't the master of a thread just because you create it. You asked questions and when hearing answers that don't coincide with what you think you all ready know you pull childish maneuvers to try and antagonize. So you will quit it here is a lengthy article about the costs of machining titanium and why it costs more than steel and why it costs more than other methods of working titanium. If you don't understand it don't ask for cliffs notes.

http://www.jobshop.com/techinfo/papers/machiningtitanium.shtml
 
Mikael Andersson said:
And now I understand what made the Kershaw representative leave this forum.

Being constantly trolled, harassed and belittled by Spyderco fanboys can be no fun in the long run.
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Says the person who started out the thread with 'Why can't ZT discount their knives 40% like Spyderco does... waaaaah waaaah'.
 
Mikael Andersson said:
And now I understand what made the Kershaw representative leave this forum.

Being constantly trolled, harassed and belittled by Spyderco fanboys can be no fun in the long run.
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I don't own any spydercos. You aren't being harassed. You are being treated the way you are asking to be treated.
 
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