To baton or not to baton

River-8 said:
Ah so there ARE absolutes.
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So far, you are the only one to say so.

I'll have to keep that in mind in the Pacific Northwest on a SAR mission when its been raining a couple of weeks (or months), and we'll be needing this here fire so folks don't die.
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Did I say anything about the PNW? At all?

How silly of us to have selected the tool (knife) that will do the job, and the technique to do it safely, when all we had to do was listen to some "research" done in Texas to know that what we've done for nearly two decades is simply a stupid "chance to breaking a knife."
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Try reading my posts again. I said I won't do it. I never once said what anyone else has to/should/can do with their own equipment.

Thanks for saving us with your blanket, know it all statement.
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You obviously missed the point. Your sarcasm just makes you look ignorant.

Gak; not even though the tread - and I don't mind at all folks stating their opinion - but this idea that others know what's 'best' or 'true' for the rest of us is, well; uhm... annoying.
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Show me one person who said what is best for everyone. I can guarantee you I didn't. Unless, of course, you count the part where I say you WILL NOT baton with MY knife, for your own safety.

Dumb (of me),
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This is the only intelligent thing you posted. I was very clear that I based my observation on experience. I even clarified that I don't care what you do with your knife. I said, more than once, that it is not something I will do because I have always managed without it. Go back. Look. I said it more than once.
 
dougo83 said:
... just makes you look ignorant.
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Not as easy as it may seem, and one would hope to have some points awarded for efficacy...
The interesting thing will be to see if my ability to apologize rises to a similar level; I did reread your post, and based on your response offer my mia culpa.
May I ask that you reread you post without the pre-knowledge and context...?

Dumb of me
dougo83 said:
This is the only intelligent thing you posted.
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Clearly a huge tick up for me - posting something intelligent :o !

dougo83 said:
I said, more than once, that it is not something I will do because I have always managed without it. Go back. Look. I said it more than once.
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Can't argue with that; in retrospect.

Would you at least consider the view of an outsider (of your context) about the 'tone' of the post?
And then, more importantly, accept my apology.

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River-8 said:
Not as easy as it may seem, and one would hope to have some points awarded for efficacy...
The interesting thing will be to see if my ability to apologize rises to a similar level; I did reread your post, and based on your response offer my mia culpa.
May I ask that you reread you post without the pre-knowledge and context...?

Dumb of me

Clearly a huge tick up for me - posting something intelligent :o !


Can't argue with that; in retrospect.

Would you at least consider the view of an outsider (of your context) about the 'tone' of the post?
And then, more importantly, accept my apology.

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Sorry about that. I reckon I was a little harsher than necessary. Sometimes, I type faster than I think. :o Please, accept my humble apology.
 
Maybe we should sticky this thread so we don't have to have the same conversation every month? Just a thought.

As to my own opinions. To each his own. Baton or don't, seriously, if it works for you, do it. For myself, I will. My knives are durable enough and if the need is there, I would rather have fire than one whole knife if it were to come down to a choice between the two in a survival scenario. Besides, sometimes a broken knife could be a boon! One piece for a spear, the other for skinning & batoning! SILVER LINING!
 
So now, we are all friends again :D

And perhaps another batoning thread saga ends! UNTIL APRIL!!!!
 
Rick Marchand said:
Stitch... that doesn't look like fatwood to me.
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How about after it was processed?

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Oooooh..... it's so.... fatty..... :D:thumbup:

The first pic didn't do it justice... unless what I perceived as fungus and dry rot was really crystallized rezin and an over exposed picture.:eek:


Thanks
Rick
 
Rick Marchand said:
I had to baton a hunk of trailbread off the loaf at -42C.... I also had to baton the underside of my jaw to chew it.


Rick
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Yikes, at first glance I thought this was in reference to some horrible cold weather bathroom incident. Made my dirty dirty brain hurt for a sec.
 
Rick Marchand said:
Oooooh..... it's so.... fatty..... :D:thumbup:

The first pic didn't do it justice... unless what I perceived as fungus and dry rot was really crystallized rezin and an over exposed picture.:eek:


Thanks
Rick
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I will be the first to admit my picture taking abilities pretty much suck. It was crystallized resin. The most I have ever seen at once.
 
j williams said:
Go out and try it. Do a splitwood fire, then a twig fire. See which one takes longer for you to prep out and go from there. It might be an eyeopener for some.
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I did and the twig is easier, less energy sapping in our Savannas.

Trying to baton some of these can be tricky as these thorns are on the fine twigs and sometimes on the thicker branches as well.

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These pictures dont do the tree justice as the thorns can grow on a old tree to the size of a nr 13 shoe and can pierce through a cars tire easily. Pictured are only the sack in which the seeds are. But anyway. The trees fine twigs generate an immense heat that one can pile up to get large size log onto.

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The coals will last throughout the night and when you want a fire again just place the logs onto the fire and leave it a while. It takes flame quite easily.
 
Correct technique is key. Teamwork is a bonus:

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From there its just adrenaline and motor-memory :D !!
 
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