To choil or not choil??? That is the Question... MSe LE NEW UPDATES

[NJBillK]

In general, I like finger choils. For me, they are a must on medium to large blades. Busse's elf choil and "small" sharpening choils are so large, you have all of the disadvantages of a finger choil without the benefits. Might as well enlarge them and let me get a finger in there.

I will never understand this⬆️⬆️⬆️

Bingo, grind out that talon hole and make a usable choil. The slabs are already cut for it.

That being said, I would prefer to not be required to resort to that to make the knife more functional and eye appealing.
By taking the grind further back, they wouldn't have as much wasted real estate via large ricasso and not require the choil to get onto the blade for using the heel of the blade...

Full choil on blades over 6 1/2"
No choil or just a small sharpening notch on anything smaller.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

110% agree with you hogs on the talon hole delete on the small models like MSe...

EXCEPT..... it's ONE of the things that makes a Busse a BUSSE, it is after all a trademark...

kinda goes against my grain, but I'll probably grind out one of my BG's--

Since it's not INFI, it won't hurt as bad

 

[jsnell]

110% agree with you hogs on the talon hole delete on the small models like MSe...

EXCEPT..... it's ONE of the things that makes a Busse a BUSSE, it is after all a trademark...

kinda goes against my grain, but I'll probably grind out one of my BG's--

Since it's not INFI, it won't hurt as bad

It's a tough call, for sure. I think the basics would benefit from losing the talon hole also. Pretty long reach up to the choil with the res-c guard and the hole. But it just wouldn't look the same[emoji45]

 

[Thomas Linton]

A waste of steel and weight. For fine work with a choil, I have to move my first finger forward in pursuit of the retreating edge.

 

[mach 5]

In general, I like finger choils. For me, they are a must on medium to large blades. Busse's elf choil and "small" sharpening choils are so large, you have all of the disadvantages of a finger choil without the benefits. Might as well enlarge them and let me get a finger in there.

I will never understand this⬆️⬆️⬆️

yes this man gets it!
I do not buy large or medium user knives that are not Busse, but for the smaller knives, as much as I love infi, and the Busse fit and finish, it just kills me to have 1/2 to 1 inch of wasted cutting edge on a 3 inch blade.

on a small knife
1. make the blade the blade
2. make the handle the handle
3. always make the 2 meet without wasted space in between :thumbup:

pleeeeease

 

[freehouse32]

I agree complelty about the wastned space! Thats why I am getting a choil put in!! I can't wait to get it back!!!

Hopeully the way I hope it truns out will do just that, make the area between the blade and handle the perfect choil size.

 

[mach 5]

I agree complelty about the wastned space! Thats why I am getting a choil put in!! I can't wait to get it back!!!

Hopeully the way I hope it truns out will do just that, make the area between the blade and handle the perfect choil size.

I am going to need a photo of this project!
I have been temped to try this my self on several occasions, but never got around to it; even had a thread on it at one time.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

yup fh...who's doing the work for you if you don't mind revealing...

I've been thinking about having Josh @ REK do the same thing for me on the MSe I just pulled down off the Exchange.

 

[Thomas Linton]

I agree complelty about the wastned space! Thats why I am getting a choil put in!! I can't wait to get it back!!!

Hopeully the way I hope it truns out will do just that, make the area between the blade and handle the perfect choil size.

Get a puukko. No wasted space.


It's not the lack of a choil that separates the working area from the first finger; it's the thick guards (or ricassos).

 

[Cobalt]

I would wait. The MS-E has the smallest choil of any small busse I have. To me, it is not worth the trouble to do it on that knife. To each his own, and I get it. But I think picking the battle on a knife that has a tiny choil is wasting money. The AD above has a large choil and that makes sense to do it to that knife.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

Get a puukko. No wasted space.


It's not the lack of a choil that separates the working area from the first finger; it's the thick guards (or ricassos).

Yeah, grab a Busse Porrkko...wait a minute, that's right-- they don't exist <yet>.

Is the world ready for a Scandi grind INFI model?

probably, no...

but Busse could integrate the talon hole as part of the blade like on the SAR 5.

 

[freehouse32]

Josh at REK is going to do the work... From all the post I have seen he work appears to be exceptional!!!

I will post pictures once I get the knife back but I don't expect it for a couple of weeks.

I had a choil put into a BG AD and I like the choil a lot on that blade. I also have the elmax active duty that has a large enough choil to use, but I may end up putting one on it too if I end up really liking the choil on the MSe... Then again if I like the modded MSe as much as I hope I may no longer need the max duty... lol decisions decisions!!!!

For the record as far as price... It will definitely cost more to ship the blade there and back than it will be to have the choil put in.

 

[Thomas Linton]

Yeah, grab a Busse Porrkko...wait a minute, that's right-- they don't exist <yet>.

Is the world ready for a Scandi grind INFI model?

probably, no...

but Busse could integrate the talon hole as part of the blade like on the SAR 5.

Given the edge stability, INFI would seem to be fine for a puukko. Not using the hole on one product does not weaken the trademark overall.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

Given the edge stability, INFI would seem to be fine for a puukko. Not using the hole on one product does not weaken the trademark overall.

I agree Thomas...the Busse Porrkko might be the next thing....Maybe I should start a thread?!

Scandi grinds are unexplored territory for Busse Combat Co. as far as I know...seems to be a hole in their lineup may could use filling...I'm not a fan of the Scandi grinds, but I understand their attraction and I'm sure there's a few HOGs and piglets who'd be on it like a hen on a junebug....

as for the talon hole, it may not need to be there, but it "needs" to be there...you know what i mean? It would be a Busse, after all.

 

[Thomas Linton]

Puukkos don't come with "Scandi" grinds. The makers there don't see the benefit either. Nor are they Scandinavian, as they will remind you. So no need to worry about the Busse Porko Puukko in that regard. ^___^

As for da' "hole," maybe time to step past Spyderco and show that it ain't da' hole that makes the knife a Busse? I can see a deep "INFI" stamp.

 

[Cobalt]

I am not sure how this is not obvious, if you need more of a picture painted… imagine (or in real life) use of a knife without a handle… just a bare tang. This is what happens when you choke up into a choil, the handle stops leaving your hand exposed to bare metal. High force cutting like carving wood puts too much pressure on the web of your hand so you can't really torque down into the cut. You could however cut with the blade on 45 degree angle to keep the handle rooted in the handle, but that is not how I use knives.

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that it is not a problem. It is just a problem for you not for me. I can and do torque down into a cut and have done so many times. Not having it on a knife that you plan to use for small chores is worse than having it.

 

[Cobalt]

Yeah, grab a Busse Porrkko...wait a minute, that's right-- they don't exist <yet>..

I think you have just coined the name of the first scandi grind Busse. The Porkko!!!!!! Lets make it happen

 

[freehouse32]

I agree with Cobalt on the torque issue. I have never been able to "not torque" as much as needed while using a choil, and if I need more torque (i.e. leverage) then I just assume the regular grip and just utilize the handle in the standard way.

I guess that is why I prefer a choil because I find it more versatile. I typically only use knives where the grip feels great in either combination, choked up on the choil or the original ergo's.

I am hoping the MSe with a choil will replace an ESEE 3 for me. The ESEE 3 is a great wonderful knife.... But it's a not a Busse, but for its size, I would say one of the next best choices in its class.

Just my thought pattern and not everyone is the same.

 

[kniferMan]

I love choils and had the same thought. Here's an example of what I want to do to my MSe:




Thanks Cobalt for the great pic and photoshop

 

[Cobalt]

wow, I like that.