To get a Sebenza or not?

There are few others that have them:
Scott Cook Lochsa
MOD
Microtech
Etc.

The difference between crk and most others using a pivot bushing is they use a bushing with the same thickness as the blade. Pressure is still placed on the blade as well as the pivot bushing.
I believe many don't copy the sebenza bushing as it takes some damn tight tolerances to do it right!


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Don't forget Spyderco...in a sub $100 knife no less. Not saying it's as good but you don't have to get into half a grand or mid-tech territory to find it.

What are Sebenzas hardened to these days? Are they only using S35VN?

Many years ago I was interested in them. So I went to Blade and handled a bunch of them. Kept checking them out at different vendor booths to make sure I wasn't missing something or if they would grow on me. And they just aren't my thing. Yes, they are made well and a nice design and they have a blade and will cut stuff. But many knives will do all that and look better doing it while costing significantly less. IMO. They may have very precise tolerances though I really don't know other than that's what everyone claims. Your human body sure isn't capable of detecting them so you just have to take their word for it. Many other knives feel just as well made.

When I was first curious about them I had been into good knives for a while ($100-$200) and I wasn't, and still not, a big fan of S30V. Or knives with softer heat treats (58 HRC) and that is what they were running at the time. I also was learning I wasn't a big fan of Ti frame locks. I had a couple fail and one wear out to the point of blade play that couldn't be (easily) fixed. And as a mechanical engineer I wasn't a fan of the design that seemed to be made from a bunch of compromises. And a little luck, which is probably why CR instituted such high tolerances so it would be reliable (?) as he 'designed' it and it was going to carry his name. Especially not when compared to other lock types. I say 'designed' because it's really just a Walker liner lock with the scale removed and the liner thickened to make up for the missing scale. But I'm not a knife historian and I digress.

I still check out a Sebenza every few years whenever I come across one and they still aren't for me, especially at their price point. Similar to Chinese take-out food. I get some every 6 months or so just to remind me why I don't eat it all the time. But we all have different tastes and different needs. I own plenty of Benchmade knives, including my personal all time favorite design, and many contain blade steel that will hold an edge significantly longer and sharpen in a way that I much prefer over softer steels that contain a lot less carbides and would likely cut circles around a Sebenza after a good sharpening. Most of my Benchmade knives also use a lock that IMO is far superior in every way and is a ton of fun to use in comparison to the Reeve Integral Lock.

It also seems like CNC and automated machining is becoming much more precise in recent years and that any gap in tolerances are becoming more and more negligible. Though it's been a while since I've looked into that world and that's a bit of a guess. This is all my opinion. I've owned many, many quality knives and spent more on them than I like to think about and I'm not one that appreciates the Sebenza. I like quality tools but I'm more of a function over form guy and don't believe in sacrificing performance for a name or status symbol. Like many have said, you either love or hate the Sebenza and their doesn't seem to be much middle ground. Also has been said, you can try one to see for yourself and not lose a lot of money deciding for yourself if you aren't quite sure of your tastes yet.
 
No, and neither does the Umnumzaan. On a bushing pivot, you tighten the pivot screw all the way snug - the pivot "action" will be perfect, as will centering. On the Zaan, Inkosi and 25, it is a "fine tuning" proposition, like pretty much any other knife.

Thank you for that! To me, that is pretty significant. I (recently) was quite tormented by the "tuning" process for an XM18. I *did* get it squared away after playing for a good while (and reaching out to s/o here who was a huge help) but would have been spared if there was a bushing pivot.

Right, the Inkosi and Umnumzaan that I own have never been taken apart so I was unaware of what awaits! I wonder why CRK would not make something like that a standard for all his folders? Probably so the user can decide how tight or loose he or she prefers it depending on what the knife will be used for.
 
I have a few folders and the benchmade can do quite a lot. A sebenza will be one edc you will appreciate and pass on. The blade play, well it depends on what knife you get. The Mnandi has the best play and design in any knife but it's small. My small sebenza that I bought is a bit slow on the play, but overall design and built for long term appreciation goes to Chris Reeves. For one time buy, buy a Chris Reeves knife. Benchmades will always be available in production.
 
Another person might have the opposite view...

Owning a Sebenza is like joining a club, you either want to be part of it, or just don't get it. .

I have to say, I understand it just fine but super high machining tolerances of basically plain titanium and mediocre S35VN for $400 doesn't do it for me. I just got a spyderco mantra with plain slab titanium handles that are, IMO, vastly more ergonomic to to a CRK and it has M4 which, IMO, is vastly superior to S35VN. It has really good machining, the fit and finish are impeccable, and it cost me quite a bit less than half of a CRK. Now is it QUITE as tight as a CRK? No, but if things were fair, I'd say they were both worth the same amount of money. One with better tolerances and one with better materials and is more comfortable for me. Yet the cheapest CRK knives are far more expensive. If a plain titanium Sebenza cost around $200 then I'd say that was a pretty accurate worth. It's only hype and hostility towards people who are ambivalent towards CRK that has driven the prices up and CRK was smart to capitalize on it. He is just a businessman trying to make money and people give him what he wants. If people swamped him with emails saying drop the price by half and refused to buy them at $400 then he'd drop the price.
 
...if things were fair, I'd say they were both worth the same amount of money.
One with better tolerances and one with better materials and is more comfortable for me.

Anyone can use "better" materials. Clearly not everyone can produce better tolerances! If it were easy everyone would do it like Crk. [emoji6]
 
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Anyone can use "better" materials. Clearly not everyone have better tolerances! If it were easy everyone would do it like Crk. [emoji6]

Even Sal, the guy who owns Spyderco, said that the tolerances CRK reaches are impressive, and costly to produce.
But what would a guy who built a successful knife company from scratch know about knives anyway, right? :D
 
I have to say, I understand it just fine but super high machining tolerances of basically plain titanium and mediocre S35VN for $400 doesn't do it for me. I just got a spyderco mantra with plain slab titanium handles that are, IMO, vastly more ergonomic to to a CRK and it has M4 which, IMO, is vastly superior to S35VN. It has really good machining, the fit and finish are impeccable, and it cost me quite a bit less than half of a CRK. Now is it QUITE as tight as a CRK? No, but if things were fair, I'd say they were both worth the same amount of money. One with better tolerances and one with better materials and is more comfortable for me. Yet the cheapest CRK knives are far more expensive. If a plain titanium Sebenza cost around $200 then I'd say that was a pretty accurate worth. It's only hype and hostility towards people who are ambivalent towards CRK that has driven the prices up and CRK was smart to capitalize on it. He is just a businessman trying to make money and people give him what he wants. If people swamped him with emails saying drop the price by half and refused to buy them at $400 then he'd drop the price.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I own spyderco sand benchmades and they are great folders but a Chris Reeve knife is refne. I could lose either of the former and still find another, but losing a Reeve knife would be regretting.'it's not about the cutting edge but more of the design and feel. My Sebenza for example can't cut like a benchmade but my Mnandi can't compare to any bemchmade. The overall feel and design is perfect. I have a 2010 one, so it's the only I can vouch for.
 
Its all about what "you" want. I bought one. It wasn't for me. Nice knife, but I went a different direction.
 
In all honesty, CRK are just good knives.
There are other good knives out there too.

Those people who make them appear to be magickal objects imbued with Godly perfection set up unrealistic expectations for new buyers at times.
Those people who have an ongoing crusade to convince others of their mediocrity are just plain wrong though; they are good knives.
But nothing more than that.
 
Thanks for your opinions everyone. I have decided to go for it and get a large 21, I'll post some pics when it arrives.
 
In all honesty, CRK are just good knives.
There are other good knives out there too.

Those people who make them appear to be magickal objects imbued with Godly perfection set up unrealistic expectations for new buyers at times.
Those people who have an ongoing crusade to convince others of their mediocrity are just plain wrong though; they are good knives.
But nothing more than that.

Agreed
 
Thanks for your opinions everyone. I have decided to go for it and get a large 21, I'll post some pics when it arrives.

Congratulations on your new knife.
They may not be the knife for everyone, but they are one of the knives out there that are certainly worth a look(trial) and many have found them to be the knife for them.
Enjoy
 
You either get it or you don't.

You don't buy a knife you buy a Sebenza. You don't buy a watch, you buy an Omega, Rolex, Tag Heuer. Your wife doesn't buy a hand bag but a Gucci, Hermes or Coach. These premium brands have been built up with great effort and survived the test of time. What value is put on them only the market knows. A lot of people buy into it all. I have no complaints about my Sebenzas and get great value from them, probably still will in another ten years, twenty even. I can't say that about a whole lot of things I've bought over the years.

They could all be mass produced and made for less; heck they are in fakes already. What value you put on the prestige and the quality lavished on them is up to personal taste. Don't see what the argument is.
 
You don't buy a knife you buy a Sebenza.

When I bought an Umnumzaan, I certainly was buying a knife.
A knife showed up in the mail, and I used it as a knife.
It now sits with my other knives, waiting for knifely use as a knife. :)

It didn't come with exclusive rights to fancy country clubs, nor did pretty girls swoon at the sight of my elegantly awesome status symbol.
All signs point to it being a...knife. :D
 
I guess for some it might be different.
I could see it based on my experience buying a Case knives fishing knife for my dad.
We had been talking about those yellow handle fishing knives so popular in his youth.
So I tracked one down online, and bought it for him. It had the main blade, fish scaler (with bottle opener), and even a stone on the side of the handle for sharpening fish hooks.
It even came with a fishing lure, all in a collectable tin case.
He has never used it, and probably never will. He liked it a lot though, and it is far nicer than the bargain brand ones he had as a child/teenager.

In that case, I was not buying a knife; I was buying him a memory. :)
 
If your not afraid to scratch and use a sebenza....
And you want to get one/ able to get one.....

Then get a sebenza
 
When I bought an Umnumzaan, I certainly was buying a knife.
A knife showed up in the mail, and I used it as a knife.
It now sits with my other knives, waiting for knifely use as a knife. :)

It didn't come with exclusive rights to fancy country clubs, nor did pretty girls swoon at the sight of my elegantly awesome status symbol.
All signs point to it being a...knife. :D

Did you look in the bottom of the box for the country club membership and instructions for surviving girls swooning(been a lifesaver for me) :)
 
Did you look in the bottom of the box for the country club membership and instructions for surviving girls swooning(been a lifesaver for me) :)

Ah crap, mine didn't have that!
Must have been defective...

[video=youtube;Bsys9hYFewc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsys9hYFewc[/video]

:D
 
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