To Ship Or Not To Ship OVERSEAS

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IF they want to, great! ...They don't have to. Personal choice is a wonderful freedom. Does that clear it up?
Ermm... no, but repetition seldom does.

No one, nobody, not one single person disagrees with your quote above.
It's also beside the point.

The debate is about why a US seller should or should not sell outside the CONUS (There, now you made me repeat myself as well! ;)) So telling people they have a right to choose what they want is simply not helpful. We all know this already, and no one is trying to force anyone else to do anything they don't want to do.

I guess the best we can hope to achieve is perhaps to take away some reluctance or anxieties about shipping to countries other than the US.
 
I agree with you Bravado....it is a general fear of the unknown....and with any sale there is with me and yourself and others here a concern that you want the goods to get there safe. No-one who is straight would be any other way. I can say though that the US Postal Insurance does cover the package as far as I am aware for delivery to the recipiant....not as has been raised the package leaving the US...but that type of thing is what we need to "bottom out" and get right so that people know for sure.

If we can crack things like that....then confidence in sending abroad is increased.

Even if it turns out to be a problem....which I doubt as otherwise they would have to make this VERY clear....and there are no caveats to this effect on their web site that are visible when booking postage and insuring on line....there will be ways to cover this off.

I suspect though from a fair bit of experience that the method you would use is just the same as with a domestic shipment and your rights of recourse DO lie within the US....your contract is with the Postal Service AND you can bring a claim under the insurance with them.

As to arguements being raised by them that the goods were delivered....the tracking number will cover that....and no-one would be able to say "I did'nt get it" if as is the case they had to sign for it with the tracking service.

Stuff like this is exactly what is helpful to people wanting to post abroad with some confidence.:thumbup:

If people have had problems and are insured they can count on me to give any help I can and I am sure others will too.
 
There is a lot of verbiage in the e-bay guide which might be off putting to many but taking the issue you raise directly....that of establishing value....here is the relevant quote....

The customer must submit acceptable evidence to establish the
cost or value of the article at the time it was mailed. (Other
evidence may be requested to help determine an accurate value.)
Examples of acceptable evidence are:




Sales receipt, invoice, or statement of value from a reputable
dealer.

Customer's own statement describing the lost or damaged
article and including the date and place of purchase, the amount paid,
and whether new or used (only if a sales receipt or invoice is not
available). If the article is handmade, the statement must include the
price of the materials and labor used. The statement must describe the
article in enough detail to determine whether the value claimed is
accurate.

Picture from a catalog showing the value of a similar article
(only if a sales receipt, invoice, or statement of value from a
reputable dealer is not available). The date and place of purchase must
be included.

Paid repair bills; if the claim is for partial damage,
estimates of repair costs or appraisals from a reputable dealer. Repair
costs may not exceed the original purchase price.

Receipt or invoice for the costs incurred to buy a surety bond
required to reissue a lost item.

Receipt or invoice of costs incurred for the reconstruction of
nonnegotiable documents.
(End DMM Reference

The issue is whether the original price of goods bought handicaps a claim for a sale when the asset has appreciated and been sold for a higher price.

The Standard Operating Procedure I would adopt to establish this is simply to print off the thread for the sale of the knife on the Exchange.

The Exchange is effectively an auction and an auction is a recognised method of establishing market value.

That is why cars re-possessed are sold at auction....ditto houses....the method of sale inherrantly establishes "market value" so the person who has had his asset re-possessed cannot claim it has been sold at an undervalue.

The copy of the sale thread could be followed up with print offs of similar sales of such knives or alternatively an independant valuation from the likes of Busse who I am sure would be willing to help if needed....but really all that is needed is the print off of the sale transaction and the receipt for the purchase of the insurance.

That should suffice to make the claim.:thumbup:

I should add that refence to International Posting is disclaimed and seemingly must be a seperate bit of guidance. However....reference to International Posting is unclear as to whether it means "incoming post from abroad" or "outgoing post abroad"....I will try and see what is said on this but expect it to be a similar situation on evidence of value as both are governed by a US Legal System as to establishing proper value and this will apply to goods going out of the country just as it does to goods staying in. The issue is one of establishing the market value within the US of the goods insured....and the sale on the Exchange does that just as well for goods shipped abroad as it does for goods shipped domestically.
 
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Bravado..saw your previous post about tongue in cheek (didnt requote it)...yeh that's cool mate..no probs.

Maybe a better solution here is to state some useful facts about shipping to your own country..to begin,

1) Australia and the US have an agreement where Australians can import up to $1000 AUD of goods without paying any duties.

2) The cheapest way to ship to Australia in my experience is via USPS (Global Priority/Express/Letter depending on how fast you want it).

3) Any single edge (non dagger) knives will get in through customs with no problems.

4) Daggers need an import permit, usually tomahawks do also.

5) Folders with loose pivots could get picked up by customs, along with assisted openers. They send the buyer a letter asking them to apply for a permit.

6) Try and get a balisong or auto in the mail and there is a good chance you will be raided by the police.

Hope that helps.
 
Maybe while this thread is active, a set of unofficial guidelines for Intl deals and protocol to follow if something happens can be posted as a sticky.
My personal experiences aside, the fact that there is no standard protocol is something happens, may be why some people are reluctant to ship outside CONUS. Of course there are other factors outside the forum such as Paypal disputes. Almost seems like too many irons in the fire to sort out though. Every issue is unique to the sale.
 
All right fellas...

CALM DOWN:)

This thread has gone WAY off....alot of people are freaking out...people are attacking so on and so on....ENOUGH

So here you go all...

I understand the frustration if you live overseas and all of the shipping issues...HOWEVER we ship overseas's all of the time...so order from us direct...www.bussecombat.com

As far as the other stuff....

It is just this simple....

If you are selling something....IT IS YOUR CHOICE....WHO TO SELL IT and where you are going to ship it...
:)none of our business...

I will see how this floats....and I am not kidding...PLAY NICE...my gut said to lock this thread down...I luv you all...but do not prove me wrong.....
 
Please dont lock it down..... I thinik the insults have stopped, amends are being made and calm discussion is the focus now.
 
All this gone way beyond common sense I believe and really starts to get quite off putting as in selling outside the country borders!

The likely hood of goods going walk about for whatever reason is slim although it does happen!
The actual Insurance Claim is for the extreme circumstance when shit does hit the fan.
The above eBay thing is a safeguard for eBay itself as noone really wants to get loaded with all thes liabilities.
If the occurance of loss and associated claims would be a real concern generally charges for insurance would be sky high by now and most likely even the postal sevices would refuse to ship outside ther respective countries due to the extra administrative workload required to deal with the issues arising.

International postage is the same as national postage but requires a form to be filled out!
Problems with postage is same Nationally as Internationally, sometimes with negative issues but most the time with a good result.

Foreign Custom and Postal Services are the resposibility of the buyer in my oppinion, the buyer has to be aware of the local laws!
Chinese forumites can only import knives to a certain lenght due to local laws and a 2 month period from postage in the US to receipt of parcel in China as per one post I read may apply. All that due to local circumstance in China!
Similar issues with a knife I sent to South Korea and another one to some Russian Republic.
The buyers are aware of these circumstances and issues arising are not the sellers resposibility nor liability!

Some countries have relaxed laws and stipulations as to the import of what may be classed a weapon, others are very strict on the same. Some countries charge a high import duty and others don't.

A seller lists his/her goods at a price and it is for the buyer to come to terms with the extra cost to bring the goods into the country, nothing to do with the seller.
Risk of local circumstance interfering with a happy outcome is the buyers risk!

So, for as long as the seller is not doing a dodgy and the package is propperly packed and the paperwork and custom declaration are in order, there is no risk for the seller.

Appropriate communicatin, national and/or international prior to finalizing the deal I guess a worthwhile thing to do to clear any doubt and then, off you go and post,
..... that is if you intend to post OS, and that is the sellers choice!

I believe that choice a seller makes is the bottom line for all of us Internationals wanting to buy, and is all that counts.

As said before, no sweat if you don't, someone else will.
And to all of you that do ship OS, thanks very much, your good will is most appreciated!
 
I think it is what it is....:):)

I will refrain (Please do not make me the mean girl)


but to be honest...As a Busse Customer Service Rep.........

I do have some issue's we must discuss...

WE CAN NOT DECLARE STUFF FOR LOWER VALUE...IT IS ILLEGAL

WE SHIP ALL OVERSEAS ORDERS USPS EXPRESS
and from now on...IT WILL BE ONLY USPS EXPRESS:)

So that is how it is.... you do not like it...well...:)

No idea what to tell ya:confused:

Amy-0
 
My gut NEVER HAS proven me wrong...

I am locking this thread...

Cause you all know why:)

Kisses,
Amy-0
 
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