Told the truth and got banned :-( Livesay?

loandr.

loandr.

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Good bunch of guys over there its quite a shame BUTTT unfortunately called Newt Livesay out on what we will call "quite questionary behavior" over the last yr! to keep it mild he Banned me from his forum which is HIS right :-). Gotta love it. Truth HURTS newt sorry, you cant say i didnt stick by your side and give you the bene.. of the doubt till the very last lie. Thought the kinfe community would find it interesting(although most are already aware) that stating the facts would get one banned from a particular forum?......used to be called censorship guess now its just the interenet. Enough "supposive" Newt bashing for IF HE dosent I will NO longer address this issue , you have my word.! everyone can draw their own conclusions as to his practices and by viewing his archives on HIS forum( you will need a password since the public has recently been locked out as mentioned here recently in a previous post where I again supported him?)??? which newt as I stated before, by my "WORD" I will still NOT give out password so contact him directly please if needed) if I was the ONLY ONE with a problem!? id understand BUTTTT we all know better :-) If anyone from that forum needs me feel free to email, still have one of his pressure sticks avaiable for a deserving home! Thanks for the ear. And again while Im dissapointed with the man I wish the man speedy recovery with his health etc.
Loandr.
Russ from Ocala 34482
 
Please DO NOT chime in with similar Newt "HORROR STORIES". Im sure "MOST ALL" have em and I dont want this to become a drawn out thread 3 pg. Bashing I just want the facts aired correctly on the few forums I do frequent, and to possibly save ohters the same hassle and being treated w/ disrespect.. LETS end it there please. Thanks guys!
Loandr.
 
What did you expect? You cannot bad-mouth Newt on his forum and expect to survive.

So, do it here!!!!
 
Don't feel bad. At least you did something to be banned. I'm banned from the Benchmade forum and I've never made a single post on it.
 
Knife Outlet said:
Don't feel bad. At least you did something to be banned. I'm banned from the Benchmade forum and I've never made a single post on it.
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yeah gotta watch you "Knife outlet" guys ...:-) FYI, I did nothing to be banned for either.....keith Benchmade must have seen ya comin :-):-)
Loandr.
 
Knife Outlet said:
Don't feel bad. At least you did something to be banned. I'm banned from the Benchmade forum and I've never made a single post on it.
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Maybe they don't like vendors who say:

"Sorry, most Benchmade knives are unavailable most of the time. Please expect delays in shipment."

Kinda makes them look bad, you know what I mean? :rolleyes:
 
They wouldn't even let me on the Benchmade forum.I have tried twice.Guess thats why I don't have any BMs.
 
Batrachian said:
"Sorry, most Benchmade knives are unavailable most of the time. Please expect delays in shipment."

Kinda makes them look bad, you know what I mean? :rolleyes:
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What makes them look bad? -- that the knives are unavailable most of the time or that a vendor told his customers the truth and refused to promise what the manufacturer didn't produce?

I can understand if Benchmade couldn't keep up with demand. They have a lot of popular models. But the vendor has to protect his customer.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
What makes them look bad? -- that the knives are unavailable most of the time or that a vendor told his customers the truth and refused to promise what the manufacturer didn't produce?

I can understand if Benchmade couldn't keep up with demand. They have a lot of popular models. But the vendor has to protect his customer.
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Is he right, that most Benchmades are unavailable most of the time? That seems to be a very broad statement.
 
Back to topic....

Russ, you were among the most reasonable folks I saw at that place - you were polite and fair, even though you were out money and were always extremely frustrated that the guy who had your order would not return a call, period.

He has my Bow Huntin Buddy that he was going to make me a new tac model as trade and keep the old model after he talked me out of rehandling the old one, if I ever see either of them I will be surprised quite honestly, and I have posted this for the world to see in several places.

I am giving my Steel NRG to a guy shipping out for pats unknown - it is a very nice and handy little neck razor, but for all intents i don't want it - and quite frankly I would not take a dime for it so as not to cash in on the "impending retirement" as Newt Livesay has alluded to at his site now.

As you have said all along, I do not wish him ill health, but for God's sake, he has gotta have some way of being in contact with his clients and if nothing else letting them know personally they can write their orders off or wait until he is healthy or can contract the orders out. It is the being out of contact with his clients for the better part of "months on end" that is the cause of his problems, not his machines getting stolen, his health, or perhaps putting some dark-op contracts in front of averge joe paying clients. It is the practice of taking money for an order months or years before the order is complete and then having these commo issues compounding this practice that is causing him all of his headaches.

No one likes to be behind the 8-ball and unless you are a genuine jagg-off no one likes to see another guy who appears to be trying behind their crazy-8 either, but communication is the name of the game in any business. A couple weeks is one thing, a couple months another, and a couple years....

Newt made a good knife for what it was - no extra time or effort spent on finish unless you wanted it that way, just a knife you could depend on if you NEEDED a knife. However, less and less of them found their way out the shop door due to the impacted stress around that door. Too bad, I know of at least one guy who went on tour, came back and the order still was not done.
 
At the current time, 73% of the current Benchmade line is unavailable to me. So that would be considered "most" in my book. Unavailable means I can't get them. It is an endemic situation and availability changes daily. What would you put on your website? I could expain it differently if you have some thoughts.
 
Knife Outlet said:
At the current time, 73% of the current Benchmade line is unavailable to me. So that would be considered "most" in my book. Unavailable means I can't get them. It is an endemic situation and availability changes daily. What would you put on your website? I could expain it differently if you have some thoughts.
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I'm glad you asked. Next to each item, I would put a note that says either "in stock", or "not in stock", as the case may be. That way the customer can make an informed decision. Some of your competitors do exactly that. It really helps the customer to know if the product is in stock or not. It saves time.
 
Sorry, I can't do it because I don't have an accounting system interfaced to the web site. The web site, therefore, is a catalog and not an inventory listing. That's really better because stock level doesn't matter much since I can get most knives (except for Benchmade) in a day. So it would simply limit customer choices and I can warn customers about problem lines as I have. Those that post inventory levels either carry a limited line (not 1000's of sku's like we do) or have an accounting system interfaced. Any other ideas?
 
Fred,
Just curious as a dealer why not order from some blade re wholesaler like Montog (sp?) or something like that. I would assume that is where most of the BMs are being shipped to anyway is larger re-wholesalers and distributers..

I have always found in the non knife world..ordering fromt the factory was a PITA (pain in the Ass). I would be curious to know if re-wholesalers have the same outtage problem as you a independant dealer..

as a side note ..I sold all my BMs except for about three when they started making the cheaper version...just thought they sold out..
 
I don't buy anything directly from Benchmade and never have. The problem is endemic and has been for a long while. There was a time when we sold about $20,000 per month in Benchmade which made it a pretty healthy line for us but it's shrunk to almost nothing since most of our Benchmade orders now get cancelled or, if we can, switched to another manufacturer's products. But this thread is about being banned from forums so, if it's OK, I'd like to get off this side subject. Thanks for the input. Take care.
 
Knife Outlet said:
I don't buy anything directly from Benchmade and never have. The problem is endemic and has been for a long while. There was a time when we sold about $20,000 per month in Benchmade which made it a pretty healthy line for us but it's shrunk to almost nothing since most of our Benchmade orders now get cancelled or, if we can, switched to another manufacturer's products. But this thread is about being banned from forums so, if it's OK, I'd like to get off this side subject. Thanks for the input. Take care.
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Ageed , Thank you. and "Parker" Thanks man.
Loandr.
 
I received via priority mail a box with THREE Bow Hunting Buddies in it, as well as some sort of short white stick, no idea what it is, perhaps a jujo of some sort, or a sharpener? and a Choate Machine and Tool styled Ice Scraper.

A while back I had posted at Newt's site and here that he had done poorly for a lot of folks and quite frankly I was not interested in helping to perpetrate the mystique of Newt Livesay.

I still will not recommend someone to do business with him, as the lack of comms is absolutely outrageous. My sincere hope is that his comms get better, becuase he really does make a hell of a product for the money. Livesay knives are meant to be beaten on, the price points make them accessible, and that very accessibility is denied virtually everyone because of the production and communication problems.

I do have to publicly thank Mr. Livesay for keeping the trade agreement we had, even when I posted I was fine with whatever decision he made regarding the BHB.

Newt, I wish you well in whatever venture you are undertaking - communication is a huge part of the knife business - I am fully aware of what goes into knifemaking and have been fortunate to see it first hand by several masters in the craft.

I do thank you for the three knives, they make up for the time and comms issue, and if you resolve the comms problem in the future I will have no problem recommending you for anyone wanting a hard-use knife on a grunt's budget.

Parker
 
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