Tom Krein Collaboration (suggestion)

Just how fragile are these Krein regrinds of Spydercos? If I had him do a regrind of a new ZDP Endura, could I whittle a tentpeg with it?

I don't have any Krein regrinds, but I can speak from my own knives I've thinned out. I have an Endura 3 and a Byrd G10 Cara Cara both ground flat to the stone, no microbevel or anything. I haven't had any durability issues with either of them, nor other knives I've taken to thin edges (SAKs, Buck knives etc). With the Byrd I've done a lot of woodworking. Lots of whittling and shaping. Slipping with a cut and smashing the edge into a knot, things like that have occurred with no damage visible to the edge or detectable with a fingernail test. I've batoned with it too, though I really don't think this is as stressful of a knife as many make it out to be.

I listened to Cliff champion thin edges on knives for a while but never acted on it. Nowadays I won't even carry a knife unless I've severely reprofiled it. Most knives I own I've ground flat to the stone. All my SAKs get their edge angles reduced by about half, my Buck 110's and 112 go flat to the stone etc. Really, I see no reason why a person like you or me should not do this. I can understand a knife company putting out the obtuse grinds they do with how an "average" person tends to treat a knife, but someone who knows how to take care of a knife should go for the super thin edges because he knows its limits. The increase in cutting performance is phenomenal. One thing in particular I like about the thin edges and whittling is you hold the knife at a more natural angle compared to when you use a more obtusely ground knife. Instead of angling the knife away from the direction you're cutting, you angle the blade downwards, the direction the cut is being made. It makes the work so much more comfortable for this fact alone, much less how much easier the knife will cut through the wood with the thinned edge.

I think it would make a lot of sense to have some super-thin sprint run knives, since these are generally either bought for collections and never used (Edge durability no issue here obviously) or bought by people who know their knives, and thus would be able to correctly handle these types of edges.

I challenge anyone reading this to grind one of their Endura's or Delica's flat to the main bevel and go cut some cardboard with it. I sincerely doubt you'll ever want to go back to the stock grind.
 
I challenge anyone reading this to grind one of their Endura's or Delica's flat to the main bevel and go cut some cardboard with it.

I accepted your challenge before you even issued it and no longer care about out-of-box sharpness that much since I'm going to thin and polish the edge anyways.

Cliff,

I really like the proposal you've made including the production company, design, measurements, and selected materials. Hopefully, Spyderco, Krein, Sandvik, and lots of us buyers/collectors/users/enjoyers will all be on board with this. If it's a lockback or Compression Lock, I'd love having such a folder.
 
Less than a year ago I was wary to even use my new knives for fear of dulling them because I knew once they lost their factory edge sharpness I'd never be able to get it back. Things sure do change, hahah. Thanks to everyone here that it...

I remember when I bought a Delica 4 for my first Spyderco around last summer and got frustrated that I couldn't get it to shave my arm hairs again like it used to...
 
Less than a year ago I was wary to even use my new knives for fear of dulling them because I knew once they lost their factory edge sharpness I'd never be able to get it back. Things sure do change, hahah. Thanks to everyone here that it...

I remember when I bought a Delica 4 for my first Spyderco around last summer and got frustrated that I couldn't get it to shave my arm hairs again like it used to...

As Gunmike1 says:

gunmike1 said:
It's amazing what a little ingenuity and OCD can accomplish
 
Bumping this thread, I'd like to see an ultra thin blade with no secondary bevel or something similar made a reality straight from the factory.
 
Bumping this thread, I'd like to see an ultra thin blade with no secondary bevel or something similar made a reality straight from the factory.

We can keep hoping, it would be great if this came to fruition. Everytime I use my Krein Caly Jr. ZDP I think of how much better I think I would like to get a knife that thin from the factory in 13C26. As I continue hoping, next up for the Krein grinder is a ZDP Endura I just ordered that should soon be full flat ground with a splinter picker tip and .010" thick edge bevel, or I should say it should get done whenever Tom gets back from Blade. I don't have the patience of Thom with low saber ground ZDP, so I will gladly let Mr. Krein do the hard work for me.

Mike
 
Not had him reprofile any of my Spydercos, but he makes a great knife. Got a Push-Bowie coming from him soom.

I would think a small Spyderco Fixed Blade would be more appropriate as he has not made any folders..yet.
 
Gunmike, if you ever get your hands on a Byrd Cara Cara, sharpening it flat to the main bevel makes it much closer to a flat ground blade by reducing the height of the saber. I'll try to get a picture of mine posted today. It's not too hard to do yourself and the knife + a Krein regrind would probably only come to around 75$. Not bad consider a G10 Cara Cara could easily sell for that price if it were made in the US.
 
Gunmike, if you ever get your hands on a Byrd Cara Cara, sharpening it flat to the main bevel makes it much closer to a flat ground blade by reducing the height of the saber. I'll try to get a picture of mine posted today. It's not too hard to do yourself and the knife + a Krein regrind would probably only come to around 75$. Not bad consider a G10 Cara Cara could easily sell for that price if it were made in the US.

I have a G-10 Cara Cara, and like it a lot. It is rugged with good fit and finish and a good steel. Mr Brogan was nice enough to thin it out for me when I lopped my fingers in half with my flat to the stone Native, which is a knife I sent to Krein for his high hollow grind treatment. When Mr. Brogan thinned it you can see that he hit the saber grind, and it is nice and thin, but still has the hollow, which is just how I wanted it. If you brought the grind all the way to the spine it would probably be a full flat grind. With that steel I would be much more inclined to hammer on it myself for a while since the DMT XX coarse would make mincemeat of it pretty quickly, unlike the low, flat saber grind of a ZDP Endura. I would like to see the pics of how yours turned out. My Native and Jess Horn both had the hollow disappear when I sharpened them flat to the stone, and those took some time and wrist pain. I figure on the ZDP Endura I'll leave all of the hard work to Krein and save my wrists.

Mike
 
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