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Discussion in 'Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet Forum' started by FSCJedi, Aug 26, 2006.
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Mr. Vec himself
Very odd technique and approach to using a hawk. I really don’t agree with all of it, but it is interesting to see his interpretation of fighting with a hawk.
I wish I could get some training time with him. I think I could change his mind on a few of the thing he says.
Vec was quite outspoken on the subject of proper hawks around here. I'm not sure why he quit posting as I always found his ideas interesting. He had many threads on the subject of hawks as well as his youtube channel. I personally didn't agree with everything he said either but I can't argue with the performance of my Vec hawk I have from him. It made my other hawks feel sluggish in comparison. Here is a thread where he expounds on more of his ideas of a proper long hawk.
Hey all, I picked up Dwight's first book ., Good stuff. Wondering--has anybody applied the hawk' stuff with a ball headed warclub? Can anybody compare the ColdSteel hawk' videos with Dwight's? Thanks for the help......on a bit of a budget you know?
I have seen the Coldsteel DVDs and Dwight’s DVDs on the tomahawk. The Fighting Tomahawk by Dwight McLemore is far better. Most of what is done with the tomahawk can be applied to the War club you just need to change the striking areas, because you are going for a blunt force strike not a cutting chop.
Hawk fighting is not an easily learned skill compared to a knife. It requires more training and good instruction to master well enough to use. I like the San Soo Kung Fu as it was designed in China as a real fighting style over the stylized fighting that preceded it. The Shawnee San Soo is very reminiscent of many Systema movements for use with and without weapons. Vec has a valid point if you are using an axe that could be studied ....and I will look into it further.......but there is no way I am carrying an 18 to 24" handle on anything for CQB use...
If I am going to my hawk for backup they are already too close for something that big. The very reasoning he pointed out is why mine have a center balance rather than the blade balance. I can use the spike or blade the same and it is controllable.
Half way in there is a tomahawk demo.
Some good stuff Ed. very fluid, especially the counters.
Atienza Kali now has material on the tomahawk.
Sayoc Sama Sama 2003 trailer (btw, the hawk material starts around 7:50)
Lynn demoing the hawk with Ron and others
A demo of a hawk applied to this mans own system
Warrior School Battle Hawk DVD trailer
And a couple of misc. tomahawk use clips
Take what is useful from the above videos
Just received a Training Hawk from Woodland Archery, $28. I didn't hear back from the guy by email or phone for a while, and after calling his cell which I obtained from looking up his domain name information, he called me back right away to inform me that the trainer had just been shipped and would be there soon.
This picture is my M48 (re-wrapped with tennis wraps and new lanyard) next to the trainer hawk. The training hawk is good quality, but it was flat (including the handle) and significantly lighter than the real hawk. Took the trainer and filled out the handle with strips of wood until rounded, taped, then wrapped with the same dimensions and material as the tomahawk. Installed a lanyard of the same dimensions.
I haven't been around for a while, but in the meantime, I did obtain Mr. Dwight's first book on the Hawk (speaking of which, maybe he would be so kind to offer some insight into what kind of material is in the second? It's a bit pricey, and while absolutely love his work, it would be nice to know where on my list of priorities it should be as well as Cold Steel videos. I like both products very much. Namely, they focus on and work with what could be called "high percentage" stuff, i.e. lay some very good foundation for what could come later.
I absolutely do not mind, and happen to like some aspects of the approach like this one:
but in my training I emphasize the probable, with occasional addressing of the possible, if that makes sense to you.
hmmmmmmmmmmm.I'm always scared of all those up close and ultrapersonal techniques.........but that's just me
I was perusing the RMJ site, and came across their Tomahawk for CQC training DVD, http://rmjtactical.com/accessories_page_4.htm
Has anyone here taken a look at it? I'm considering ordering it along with some other stuff and was just wondering if there's feedback on it?
Oh man! I'm gonna have to get that!
Here's another Kali approach video I haven't seen posted yet.
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A few more!
They also sell a $35 DVD : http://www.troysbudo.com/DVDs_for_Sale.html#Tomahawk_L1
From the brief youtube preview, I can note some of the McLemore styles (mainly the 8 count drill), as well as some Kali/Escrima inspiration. Might be a worthwhile DVD...
Beginning at the 1:06 mark...
And here's a guy who made a tomahawk trainer out of PVC, kinda neat considering you could adjust the weight to mimic whatever tomahawk you may fancy.