Tour de France

That looks like the barber in Andy Griffith of Mayberry.


The French, and much of the world had reason to expect that after Lance quit, so too would USA ownership of the Tour flag. Now an American owns it yet again.
Wouldn't it be something if America took the top spot next year too? There would be a wailing and gnashing of teeth.



munk
 
Tyler Hamilton, another of Lance's former troops on the bike, is supposed to start racing again sometime after his suspension ends (September?), although he may be past his prime as a Tour competitor.

Eric
 
I’m glade Landis won. He will be good for American cycling and a better representative than Armstrong. I have never liked Armstrong and can’t wait for his celebrity to dry up and blow away.

As for Armstrong and drugs: I have followed bike racing for over 30 years and that guy was on the “stuff” (and most likely so were all the winners after the early ’90). But it was the good stuff you can’t find in tests. No one makes a change from being a single day racer to a tour rider like he did. Before he was sick he couldn’t climb nor do TT, and you just do not make those kinds of changes without some “aids”. Also many of the guys on his former team recall him saying that they all needed to “get on the program” if they were going to compete. Then he shows up at Dr. Ferrari’s who was handing out EPO like it was candy. That he was trained by Carmichael was a JOKE!

Think of yourselves, no matter what the sport you have worked at, have you every totally change the way you perform? Have you been a good track sprinter and then won a marathon, a good baseball player that bats .300 with a lot of singles and then start to hit 50 home runs (like Barry Steroid Bonds) or a golfer that all of a sudden at age 30 goes from hitting 240 yard Tee shots to 320 yards? That stuff just does not happen!

I love the Tour de France and I’m glad we have a new and more honest winner. And it was an awesome win!
 
I disagree with you about Armstrong. Almost dying is the motivation many great people have endured before going on to accomplishment.

They have tests for the 'good stuff' today. He was the most tested participant, at random and without announcement. He would have been caught if he was dirty. The French were very attentive to this, and they found no evidence.

I too, am looking forward to the future of the sport.


munk
 
munk said:
I disagree with you about Armstrong. Almost dying is the motivation many great people have endured before going on to accomplishment.

They have tests for the 'good stuff' today. He was the most tested participant, at random and without announcement. He would have been caught if he was dirty. The French were very attentive to this, and they found no evidence.

I too, am looking forward to the future of the sport.


munk
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No problem I can respect people's opinions about him. My best friend that I have rode bikes with for 25 years wants to kill me when I talk about how obvious Armstrong was. And as much as I dislike Armstrong I have a huge amount of respect for his recovery and his fight and what he has done for the cause of cancer. But that is separate from his performaces being aided or not.

Best Regards,
Tony
 
Why people have to sling mud is beyond me. The only thing negative about Armstrong was the French reaction to him beating their frilly panty wearing asses every year.
 
aproy1101 said:
Why people have to sling mud is beyond me. The only thing negative about Armstrong was the French reaction to him beating their frilly panty wearing asses every year.
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Well then maybe you should ask Armstrong why he has such a mud-slinging hard-on for Greg LeMond.

Also I don't think there has been a French contender for the TDF since 1986 most of the time Armstrong's competition has been from Germany, Russia and Italy. So I don't think the French care about Armstrong's wins and won't care about Landis at all.

And to talk about prfessional cycling and not talk about how drugs have affected it is just sticking your head in the sand.
 
OK - I'm getting a little nervous here - someone please tell me you got the Floyd joke. ;)

Eric
 
I don't know about the floyd joke, but I do respect Spydieopath for speaking his mind about Armstrong. That's OK.
It's OK people. Sounds to me Spy and I both like the sport and want to see it pure.

Spydiepath, I lost my DL for four years once, rode a bike everywhere, and my world has never been the same. I liked riding before this, but afterwards approached it with pure joy.
I have a Jamus mt bike today that I actually sold off two firearms to purchase; me, a known bunker lunker end of world paranoid actually selling some firearms to own a bicycle!

Or in the words of my neighbor and auto mechanic; "How come it doesn't have an engine? For 1300 bucks it should have an engine."


munk
 
Do you think that he was using anything before he got cancer? I know that he went from being "bulky" for a biker, like 185 or so, down to 160 after the cancer, so that probably helped.

Also, if somebody takes banned drugs to fight an illness, do they get suspended or do they get a free pass as long as they test drug free before starting racing again? I imagine that Lance Armstrong must have been pumped full of a ton of drugs when fighting the cancer. Presumably if he had been tested then he would have been "banned"
 
Spydieopath said:
Well then maybe you should ask Armstrong why he has such a mud-slinging hard-on for Greg LeMond.

Also I don't think there has been a French contender for the TDF since 1986 most of the time Armstrong's competition has been from Germany, Russia and Italy. So I don't think the French care about Armstrong's wins and won't care about Landis at all.

And to talk about prfessional cycling and not talk about how drugs have affected it is just sticking your head in the sand.
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No, Sir, Lance wasn't here slinging mud, you were. Also, the French have been extremely loud about Armstrong's wins constantly alledging cheating without proof. Even going so far as to make up proof and print it. Where is your head? I think they'll hate Landis' win because they are sore loosers, and I love it, revel in it.

My head isn't in the sand at all, drugs have affected every modern sport. Its terrible. I'm not even saying Lance is innocent, simply that there has never been anything prooved.

You seem to be taking this too personally. I've simply never heard anything but heresay that suggests Lance did the drugs. All you've produced is more heresay. That was my argument. Don't get your panties in a wad. Simply go get documented proof. Get some document from the tour directors that prooves officially that Lance did the drugs. Show me the statement where his wins have been taken away. Give me a link to the article about him being disqualified. But in the absence of that... I will continue to wonder why YOU are here slinging mud.
 
Shann said:
Do you think that he was using anything before he got cancer? I know that he went from being "bulky" for a biker, like 185 or so, down to 160 after the cancer, so that probably helped.

Also, if somebody takes banned drugs to fight an illness, do they get suspended or do they get a free pass as long as they test drug free before starting racing again? I imagine that Lance Armstrong must have been pumped full of a ton of drugs when fighting the cancer. Presumably if he had been tested then he would have been "banned"
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I've read that Lance was prescribed EPO while recovering from the cancer. He's admitted that, it was LEGALLY admistered by his DR, and there is no penalty for it. Though, I don't have a source for that, and can't even remember where/when I read it.
 
Floyd "the Barber" Landis trimmed what appeared to be an insurmountable time deficit to lock up this year's Tour by slightly more than a hairbreadth margin. You could comb the archives for days and not find another race with as much shear magic.

Eric
 
Eric006 said:
America has a new hero, and his name is:

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Groucho? :confused:
 
Floyd Lawson, the barber from the Andy Griffith Show.

(I grew up in NC, where the fictitious town of Mayberry is set. The show holds a place near and dear to my heart.)
:)

Eric
 
aproy1101 said:
No, Sir, Lance wasn't here slinging mud, you were. Also, the French have been extremely loud about Armstrong's wins constantly alledging cheating without proof. Even going so far as to make up proof and print it. Where is your head? I think they'll hate Landis' win because they are sore loosers, and I love it, revel in it.

My head isn't in the sand at all, drugs have affected every modern sport. Its terrible. I'm not even saying Lance is innocent, simply that there has never been anything prooved.

You seem to be taking this too personally. I've simply never heard anything but heresay that suggests Lance did the drugs. All you've produced is more heresay. That was my argument. Don't get your panties in a wad. Simply go get documented proof. Get some document from the tour directors that prooves officially that Lance did the drugs. Show me the statement where his wins have been taken away. Give me a link to the article about him being disqualified. But in the absence of that... I will continue to wonder why YOU are here slinging mud.
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I think it is best that you and I just agree to disagree and go our own way.

Have fun,
Tony G
 
munk said:
I don't know about the floyd joke, but I do respect Spydieopath for speaking his mind about Armstrong. That's OK.
It's OK people. Sounds to me Spy and I both like the sport and want to see it pure.

Spydiepath, I lost my DL for four years once, rode a bike everywhere, and my world has never been the same. I liked riding before this, but afterwards approached it with pure joy.
I have a Jamus mt bike today that I actually sold off two firearms to purchase; me, a known bunker lunker end of world paranoid actually selling some firearms to own a bicycle!

Or in the words of my neighbor and auto mechanic; "How come it doesn't have an engine? For 1300 bucks it should have an engine."
munk
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It seems that you know something about the sport and it is a great one. As for bikes at last count I have ten of them and most are worth more than my good car. It will keep you fit for life and keep you indoors wathcing TV for three weeks in July. I have been riding for 40 years and racing for nearly as long. I'm thinking about selling one or two to feed my knife collection :rolleyes:.

As for the French they also love the sport and have embraced every foreign tour winner I can think of except for maybe two and one of those two was not an American. They were in love with Greg LeMond and Indurain so I think their issues with foreign winners is fairly exclusive.
 
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