Trade Rule Clarification Requested, Please

[Monofletch]

24 hrs from time of reciept should be enough for anyone to decide that the deal is done or not.

With that being said, unless the condition of the knife is not as described or pictured , a deal is a deal.
There really is no clause for "liking" the item or not. A trader should know what he/she is trading for before the deal is done.

But also, selling a trade item, before one is sure a deal is done, is poor form.

Both parties need to agree to terms before the deal is consumated.

If it is the make/model/condition agreed apon-I would not be happy if you wanted to reverse a trade just because you don't "like" the knife you received. I do agree that him selling so fast is a bad thing.

 

[87Burban]

If the trade item was as described, and was what you agreed upon to trade, it is a done deal. Once you enter into a trade, it is binding once one party ships and it leaves their possesion.

If you don't get what was described, then the complaint may be legitimate.

If you are just disappointed by reality, that can not be helped. You may negotiate a reverse of the trade at this point if both parties agree, but it can not be forced by the forum rules.


This is not Costco and you can't get a refund on everything.


If you have entered into a trade agreement, and electronically shook hands on the deal, your first priority is to get that trade to the person with a good faith effort.

Life does get in the way occasionally (car crash, hospitalization, etc), but get that mama to the post office and get it mailed.

This transaction takes priority until it has shipped, then proceed with further sales / trades.

IMHO

 

[OnceBitten]

... The other party was happy, even sold one of the knives I sent before I got my end.

The knife you sent should have been held by the recipient until you gave the "all clear".

 

[Maprik]

Interesting. Lots of varied opinions on what constitutes a successful trade. Some support the, "Eh, it's heavier than I thought it would be" or "It doesn't feel right in my hand" concept of not being satisfied supporting a reversal. Others support the "if it's exactly as described and expected the trader should not have grounds to complain" and should divest themselves of the knife themselves. What's interesting is that no one is commenting on the trader who did everything right - sent exactly the knife that was expected, supplied pics, and according to LW was completely honest and accurate. That person received the trade they wanted, spent money on shipping, and now is expected to ship the knives back in a reversal. Everything got worked out in this case but in other cases the happy trader just get's screwed out of the shipping costs if the other trader decides the day before he get's the knife that he misses his knife and wants it back. Really, being "happy" should not really constitute a reason for deal completion. I don't have the answer but I think just based on the differing opinions here there needs to be a clear-cut rule on what conditions constitute grounds for a reversal.

 

[RevDevil]

I'm not trying to make waves, and nearly always agree with the opinions of our moderators, but if the knife was as described, and the recipient simply changed his mind afterward, then I think it's pretty silly for some one to have to lose the money that they spent on shipping. If the guy knew what he was getting beforehand and then just decided "eh, I don't want to keep this knife," then he has the option to resell it at his discretion. But we're all adults here; it's not beyond reason to expect some one to stand by the agreement they made. I think that's why the "A deal isn't complete until both parties are satisfied" rule isn't actually in writing in the rules section. I know that most people use it as a general rule of etiquette, but personally, unless it's written in the rules section of this site, I wouldn't offer refund if the buyer got exactly what he asked for, but simply changed his mind. Unless it is added to the rules... I wouldn't violate regulation. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=751&a=98 Last I checked the "both parties must be satisfied" is not among them, and I feel it's for good reason.

Edit: Revdevil and Rycen, you've BOTH offered me assistance+advice in the past, and though I disagree, my intentions are not to offend either of you.

No worries, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Keep in mind, the rules also state that people shouldn't play around and buy/sell/trade items if they are unsure about it. The are no "givesies-backsies" because someone gets buyers remorse. As Blues pointed out, we are a community, and this shouldn't happen and typically doesn't.

On another note, the problem with adding more and more rules is, well more and more rules. Common sense should be exercised at all times whenever possible. If someone shows a disregard for that, by repeatedly being a problematic buyer/seller/trader, history has shown that those people quickly and effectively hang themselves and tarnish their own reputation.

 

[ooitzoo]

Interesting. Lots of varied opinions on what constitutes a successful trade. Some support the, "Eh, it's heavier than I thought it would be" or "It doesn't feel right in my hand" concept of not being satisfied supporting a reversal. Others support the "if it's exactly as described and expected the trader should not have grounds to complain" and should divest themselves of the knife themselves. What's interesting is that no one is commenting on the trader who did everything right - sent exactly the knife that was expected, supplied pics, and according to LW was completely honest and accurate. That person received the trade they wanted, spent money on shipping, and now is expected to ship the knives back in a reversal. Everything got worked out in this case but in other cases the happy trader just get's screwed out of the shipping costs if the other trader decides the day before he get's the knife that he misses his knife and wants it back. Really, being "happy" should not really constitute a reason for deal completion. I don't have the answer but I think just based on the differing opinions here there needs to be a clear-cut rule on what conditions constitute grounds for a reversal.

I'd want to know what the issue was for WOLFE. In other words, is it purely an "ehh too heavy" or more like "wow, that scratch is really prominent".

I tend to be in the middle on this; I likely wouldn't be happy if someone told me they want to reverse based on "I didn't know this was so big". I'd likely still do it BUT that person would be on my ignore list in the future.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, you're better off just saying "fine", reversing, and not dealing with that person in the future.

 

[Karda]

If it is the make/model/condition agreed apon-I would not be happy if you wanted to reverse a trade just because you don't "like" the knife you received. I do agree that him selling so fast is a bad thing.

Thats the gist of what i was trying to say. You should already have a good and clear idea of what you are trading for before you receive it.
There should be no getting "underwhelmed" by your trade if you already know what youre trading for.
Still, selling or trading off your side of the trade before the other party has given the all clear is poor form.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

..
In the end, sometimes just acting as friends is the best way to handle it...

I think this sums it up perfectly. My trade partner and I treated each other like friends, and we'll stay friends after this is long forgotten.

.................... Guess this has been resolved now.

It has, and I thank all of you for your thoughts on this subject. :thumbup: